What are the advantages of a full synthetic oil
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Originally Posted by dixieF150scab
Touche! Really, I'm not against using the high-dollar synthetics. Honest. I'm sure they're fine. Hell, I'll even give the benefit of the doubt that they are far superior in terms of all the technical stuff. I won't even raise the question as to why, if they are so great, do the automakers not use or recommend them. What I don't understand, however, is if they are so beneficial, is why and how do they escape the lure of the mass market.
Take Walmart or any of the auto parts chain stores as an example. Volume sales of ANY product will make more money, and the marketing power of chain stores are great for that sort of business. The store shelves are chock full of any number of oils, additives, and just all sorts of products, including gimmicky ones.
Why then, given their supposed superiority, are they not as widely available as conventional lubricants? I realize Mobile One is an exception, if those of the Royal Purple, Redline, and Amsoil crowd accept Mobile as one the top names. That is what I don't understand. Some products can be sold more profitably utilizing exclusivity. Yet all vehicles need oil. There's money to be made. Tons of it.
One problem I have with extended drains is, again, that the 3,000 mile interval is optimal for other preventive maintenance checks and services, and the oil change just sort of forces a close look under the hood. Additionally, when I drain at 3,000 miles, the oil is usually just a little dirty. I don't see how your premium price oil can escape becoming as dirty as my semi-syn. We're talking about basically the same engine, and let's assume fairly similiar driving conditions. I just don't get it.
Take Walmart or any of the auto parts chain stores as an example. Volume sales of ANY product will make more money, and the marketing power of chain stores are great for that sort of business. The store shelves are chock full of any number of oils, additives, and just all sorts of products, including gimmicky ones.
Why then, given their supposed superiority, are they not as widely available as conventional lubricants? I realize Mobile One is an exception, if those of the Royal Purple, Redline, and Amsoil crowd accept Mobile as one the top names. That is what I don't understand. Some products can be sold more profitably utilizing exclusivity. Yet all vehicles need oil. There's money to be made. Tons of it.
One problem I have with extended drains is, again, that the 3,000 mile interval is optimal for other preventive maintenance checks and services, and the oil change just sort of forces a close look under the hood. Additionally, when I drain at 3,000 miles, the oil is usually just a little dirty. I don't see how your premium price oil can escape becoming as dirty as my semi-syn. We're talking about basically the same engine, and let's assume fairly similiar driving conditions. I just don't get it.
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Originally Posted by dixieF150scab
Touche! Really, I'm not against using the high-dollar synthetics. Honest. I'm sure they're fine. Hell, I'll even give the benefit of the doubt that they are far superior in terms of all the technical stuff. I won't even raise the question as to why, if they are so great, do the automakers not use or recommend them. What I don't understand, however, is if they are so beneficial, is why and how do they escape the lure of the mass market.
Take Walmart or any of the auto parts chain stores as an example. Volume sales of ANY product will make more money, and the marketing power of chain stores are great for that sort of business. The store shelves are chock full of any number of oils, additives, and just all sorts of products, including gimmicky ones.
Why then, given their supposed superiority, are they not as widely available as conventional lubricants? I realize Mobile One is an exception, if those of the Royal Purple, Redline, and Amsoil crowd accept Mobile as one the top names. That is what I don't understand. Some products can be sold more profitably utilizing exclusivity. Yet all vehicles need oil. There's money to be made. Tons of it.
One problem I have with extended drains is, again, that the 3,000 mile interval is optimal for other preventive maintenance checks and services, and the oil change just sort of forces a close look under the hood. Additionally, when I drain at 3,000 miles, the oil is usually just a little dirty. I don't see how your premium price oil can escape becoming as dirty as my semi-syn. We're talking about basically the same engine, and let's assume fairly similiar driving conditions. I just don't get it.
Take Walmart or any of the auto parts chain stores as an example. Volume sales of ANY product will make more money, and the marketing power of chain stores are great for that sort of business. The store shelves are chock full of any number of oils, additives, and just all sorts of products, including gimmicky ones.
Why then, given their supposed superiority, are they not as widely available as conventional lubricants? I realize Mobile One is an exception, if those of the Royal Purple, Redline, and Amsoil crowd accept Mobile as one the top names. That is what I don't understand. Some products can be sold more profitably utilizing exclusivity. Yet all vehicles need oil. There's money to be made. Tons of it.
One problem I have with extended drains is, again, that the 3,000 mile interval is optimal for other preventive maintenance checks and services, and the oil change just sort of forces a close look under the hood. Additionally, when I drain at 3,000 miles, the oil is usually just a little dirty. I don't see how your premium price oil can escape becoming as dirty as my semi-syn. We're talking about basically the same engine, and let's assume fairly similiar driving conditions. I just don't get it.
I already posted that a lot of manufactures DO use Mobil 1 in their vehicles from the factory and recommend that you keep using it for the life of your vehicle, maybe you missed this list:
Acura RDX
Aston Martin
Bentley Amage and Bentley GT
Cadillac CTS, CTS-V, XLR, XLR-V, SRX and STS and STS-V
Chevrolet Corvette C6 and Z06
Chevrolet SSR
Chevrolet TrailBlazer SS
Chrysler 300C SRT-8 and Crossfire SRT-6
Cobalt SS
Dodge Ram SRT-10
Dodge Charger SRT-8, Magnum, and Viper
Jeep Cherokee SRT-8
Mercedes-Benz AMG vehicles
Mercedes SLR
Mitsubishi EVO III
Pontiac GTO
All Porsche vehicles
Saturn Red Line
Viper SRT-10
Now if those are all the vehicles that use just Mobil 1, imagine all of the vehicles that do use a full synthetic or even a blend. I'm almost positive Ford recommends a blend for our trucks, right?
I can't control the market and what type of oil people buy and either can the oil companies. Think about it this way. There is a demand for full synthetic oils. But a much larger demand for a cheaper oil, which would be dino oil or even a blend. Now companies know people who demand full synthetic are going to buy it whether or not 'company A' makes it. If not, those people will just move onto 'company B' Oil companies know this and arn't going to lose sales over it.
Food for thought, if a oil company like Mobil 1 recommends longer intervals for oil changes while using their full synthetic, that means something. BMW recommends 10,000 mile intervals while using a full synthetic, that means something.
I just don't get it either, I never said anything about synthetics staying cleaner than any other oil, dino oil or blends. However, I will say that synthetics do a better job of protecting the motor and the internals compared to blends and especially dino oil.
I'm done with this thread though for the most part. I really couldn't give a rats *** what type of oil you put into your motor. I couldn't care less so everyone who wants to argue can have a nice day, and argue with someone else!
Last edited by ThumperMX113; Nov 22, 2006 at 09:28 PM.
