Edge/Troyer onwnzz jooo all!!!

But seriously, go with what feels right to YOU. I did. YMMV.

 

ROFL! Nate, I haven't seen that speak for a long time. (used to play RtCW)

IMO, Troyer PWNS ALL. Teh (on purpose) XCal II iz 1337. Edge suX0rZ.



Ummmmm........I think the XCal II is *custom tuned* but I wouldn't know even though I own one.

Forgot to point out that this "issue" is NOT the XCal's fault. o0ps

Nice points though, even if not correct. I'd like to hear some more of your opinions (conspiracy theories) on who REALLY shot JFK, the New World Order, BUSH WMD supposed lies, the moon landing or even Roswell and/or Area 51. It'd entertaining to say the least.

KTHNXBYE

 

What part of the out of the box tune that comes with the Xcal2 is "Custom" as compared with the out of the box tune that comes with the Edge?

 

If you ever ordered an Xcal2 from Troyer, you'd know that you have to send them worksheets explaining what computer code your truck has, mods done to your truck and what type of tunes you're looking for (87 performance, 93 performance, 93 tow, etc.) The only thing you have to send to Edge is money. Just so you know as you seem to be misinformed.

 

Nicely stated....the geez wiz factor doesnt interest me and I like to know that what I've got has been tailored to my truck. I like the idea that it boosts performance but safely.

To each their own but RPs response was perfect in my viewpoint.

 

These f150 need a tuner no matter which way you go. I have the Edge and love it.

 

I agree, I have the XCal2 and love it.

 

Don't be a child......

The Edge works with any computer code, and that computer code has nothing to do with the tune or it being "Custom Tuned".

The Edge has 87 tow, 93 performance, etc. You can load 87 tow, bump the timing up for 93 octane and get great bottom end plus the high end performance of 93. You can load the 93 performance and bump the timing down to run 91 or 89 octane. Nothing "Custom Tuned" about this either. You can bump the timing with the Xcal2 so this is not "Custom Tuned" either.


The one place the Xcal2 has an Edge, (pun intended) is with mods. The Edge works with most mods out of the box, within reason. You can't run a blower with the Edge....but you can't run it with the Xcal2 either, at least not with the magical "Custom Tune" you speak of, until you data-log it on a dyno.

The Xcal2 comes with a canned tune, just like the Edge. The only time it becomes a "Custom Tune" is when you data-log it, and have Mike (or other techs) adjust it for the result obtained by data-logging.

You can keep telling yourself the tune you get out of the box is "Custom", but it's the same as the Edge tune, more or less.

The numbers don't lie.

 

It sounds to me (judging from the loyalty expressed from both Edge and XCAL2 owners) that they are both great tuners. This entire discussion is based on opinion.

A better arguement would be for and against a tuner (which would factually lead to one realizing tuners help the mechanical system of our F series).

So, to help you all sum up what you are trying to say- Tuners really do wake up our F series platform.

Thank you and good night.

 

So I guess M. Troyer just sits on these Xcal2 orders for a month or so and then loads basically an Edge program into it.

 

More or less....yes.

Not the Edge tune per say, but if you look at the actual binary code, the tunes are nearly identical.

 

The guy just wants some actual gains, as in quarter mile, 0-60, horsepower/ torque number gains. Not all this BS arguing, but I do see both sides points. I seem to have some pretty damn good numbers considering, with my edge. If we could make a list of 0-60 times and quarter mile times of a bunch of trucks that are almost identical (supercab, crew cab, 4X2, 4X4, gears, and any additional mods), then we could settle this based on actual performance gains. I know this is far fetched, but how else are you going to know which one actually produces the best power? I have not had one lick of problems out of my edge, but then again I have not done an update since February. They are pretty much the same thing, except one has a in cab screen to have fun with and the other one doesn't.

 

We need to set up a track day.

 

Edge has a factory to pump out the product!
Also Edge will be a lot easier to sell.

Mike wrote: https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...54#post2097154

Hang on there a second - this is *CUSTOM* tuning, not "generic take to to any other 2004 with the same code kinda tuning."

And especially in 2004 F-150's, a very high percentage of them get reflashed to a different code without any documentation of any kind to the owner. It happens before they even take retail delivery, it can happen during a service visit, etc. So if you buy a used unit, it may or may not work - it has to *exactly* match the strategy on the next vehicle, and even if it does, it will still have to be unlocked as well, which means that software is required to do that.
Last - You have no idea what tuning is inside that unit - it doesn't matter even if the strategy does turn out to be the same (which you have no way of knowing until you plug it in and try to use it - that is, after it's been unlocked), the actual tuning may still be completely inappropriate for that vehicle - remember, XCal's are *CUSTOM TUNED* units for each individual vehicle - they are NOT like a standard 1715 Micro Tuner where you can take it to vehicle after vehicle and the tuning is the same on all of them, etc. And if we need to re-do those tunes, by the time you buy the unit and then have to pay us for new tuning, your outlay would be more than if you just bought it new from us - to say nothing of the fact that when buying used you get no warranty, no tech support, etc., you are on your own for that - those benefits go only to the *original* owner.

These are some of the things you need to be aware of, as it's easy to come out on the losing end - we do NOT recommend buying used XCal's expecting them to just be a plug-in and go type of deal, as they rarely are in the F-150 these aren't Mustangs that only have a couple of configurations and codes - these F-150's have *dozens* of configurations and *hundreds* of different strategies each and every model year alone.

Now if someone finds s deal on a used "standard" tuner and they are OK with getting lesser results, than that is fine - for example, the appropriate unit would be the 1714, for example, for a 2004 F-150 - but we simply do not recommend buying a used custom-tuned XCal 2 thinking you are going to save money and that the tuning is going to be correct for your truck, even if you get lucky and the actual strategy does turn out to match.

So make sure to keep all of these factors in mind before making you final decision, and best of luck whatever you decide!
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Yeah thats the big downside of the edge compared to the Xcal. ON the edge, what you get is what you get and nothing more other than some tweaking on your own with the wot fuel, tranny shifts points and firmness and octane settings. But with the Xcal you can have a tune that is specific to you application, such as long tube headers, 4.56 gears, or a supercharger, which the edge cannot even come close to doing. Big difference, but some people dont want that. I just like the versatility of the edge that the Xcal doesnt even come close to having, thats all.