Dont top out your truck!
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From: Winston-Salem, NC
Originally Posted by J-150
Ford by establishing a factory set top speed acknowledges that everything bleow that is within acceptable operating range.
I couldn't have said it better myself.........
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I worked as a claims adjuticator for a warranty company and this was NEVER an issue. This is just an urban legend, they said the same thing about my SS and I had a transmission replaced at 55k with several mods on the car and numerous 150+ passes.
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Originally Posted by Ragged05FX4
I don't see what the worry is, just clear the 'puter before you take it in??
the poster was indicating that this information is stored in the black box and cannot be wiped by a user.
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From: In a van down by the river
Originally Posted by J-150
Think of it this way, if someone has a "Beware of Dog" sign and the dog bites you, they are purely at fault because te sign acknowledged the dangerous nature of the dog.
Ford by establishing a factory set top speed acknowledges that everything bleow that is within acceptable operating range.
Ford by establishing a factory set top speed acknowledges that everything bleow that is within acceptable operating range.
Not so actually. Ford or the Dealership would have the burden to prove that a reasonable person would know that a speed limiter means everything above that speed destorys the truck and voids your warranty with Ford.
A reasonable person would not be found by the court to expect this unless a voided warranty message would have to be explicitly stated in either an audio message when you went above that speed or a message in plain sight of the driver. Spoke with my corporate law professor about this one yesterday.
The court has to set a very low standard of what a reasonable person would know or expect to allow for the idiots who burn themselves drinking coffee at McDonalds. Thats why the drive thru window and/or the containor have warnings on them now.
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From: North East PA.
my dad use to yell at me all the time, he was a gm for a svt saleen dealership and he would be so kind to let me roll in his demos and i flogged many a saleen mustangs cobras and our beloved lightnings. then he would have a diagnostic done. call me at home and ask me if i was sure i didnt speed. and when i said yes. it was like opening the flood gates of an asswhooping...
learned my lesson though.... from then on i just told him i beat them.
learned my lesson though.... from then on i just told him i beat them.
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Originally Posted by F150 Duke
Not so actually. Ford or the Dealership would have the burden to prove that a reasonable person would know that a speed limiter means everything above that speed destorys the truck and voids your warranty with Ford.
A reasonable person would not be found by the court to expect this unless a voided warranty message would have to be explicitly stated in either an audio message when you went above that speed or a message in plain sight of the driver. Spoke with my corporate law professor about this one yesterday.
The court has to set a very low standard of what a reasonable person would know or expect to allow for the idiots who burn themselves drinking coffee at McDonalds. Thats why the drive thru window and/or the containor have warnings on them now.
A reasonable person would not be found by the court to expect this unless a voided warranty message would have to be explicitly stated in either an audio message when you went above that speed or a message in plain sight of the driver. Spoke with my corporate law professor about this one yesterday.
The court has to set a very low standard of what a reasonable person would know or expect to allow for the idiots who burn themselves drinking coffee at McDonalds. Thats why the drive thru window and/or the containor have warnings on them now.
I agree with what you are saying except for one small thing... if you have a speed limiter, you can't exceed it. If you remove the speed limiter by way of a tuner, they do have grounds to void the warranty.
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From: Southern Oregon
Originally Posted by kidtriton
no such thing as this
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Originally Posted by Bumblebee
The "speed limiter" is not on there because you might damage the dirvetrain of the truck but that you will exceed the speed rating of the tires and cause one of them to fail.
I don't believe that as the speed limiter is probably the same speed across the Ford family with different tires on each car/truck.
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From: kinston nc
Originally Posted by DevilSun
I believe there is, a lot of the newer vehicles have a seperate "storage" box (more or less blackbox) of info/codes for case in re-tracing what happened or how the vehicle was used before a crash etc, so there's no reason why they wouildn't store the things like this in there if this is in fact the case. Lotus USA has this on the new Elise, and certain variations of things you do excessively will void the warranty because of this...
this is a quote from where i posted on a different messageboard a while back describing the different types of passive restraints, and the related data logging.
this 'blackbox' stuff you guys are talking about has nothing to do with anything other then crash data. Ford has onboard data capture in any vehicle that uses a IABM instead of a diagnostic monitor to monitor the airbags.
I bet you guys also didnt know that the airbag 'module' in a vehicle with a dignostic monitor (ford to be the most accurate) doesnt actually fire off the bags. This older type of airbag module monitors resistance and voltages at certain points of the system (bag resistances, sensor to ground resistances, safing sensor voltages, etc) and will blink or light the airbag warning light in the event of a failure. The actual firing is done by any of the front crash sensors providing a ground path, and the safing sensor passing battery voltage at the exact same time. The airbag module can be out of the car, and the bags still work correctly.
Now, in the latter used IABM type restraint systems, there are no front crash sensors, no safing sensors, etc. These airbag modules have solid state accellerometers in them and use a microcontroller to decide when to pass power and ground to the bags. Most of these also have 2 sets of firing circuits to each bag, and are able to select a 'softer' deployment, or full force. These type systems are the ones that can record the speed, decelleration, etc. upon a crash event.
But none of this stuff is recording billy bob when he peels out of the jiffy lube while you are at work.
I bet you guys also didnt know that the airbag 'module' in a vehicle with a dignostic monitor (ford to be the most accurate) doesnt actually fire off the bags. This older type of airbag module monitors resistance and voltages at certain points of the system (bag resistances, sensor to ground resistances, safing sensor voltages, etc) and will blink or light the airbag warning light in the event of a failure. The actual firing is done by any of the front crash sensors providing a ground path, and the safing sensor passing battery voltage at the exact same time. The airbag module can be out of the car, and the bags still work correctly.
Now, in the latter used IABM type restraint systems, there are no front crash sensors, no safing sensors, etc. These airbag modules have solid state accellerometers in them and use a microcontroller to decide when to pass power and ground to the bags. Most of these also have 2 sets of firing circuits to each bag, and are able to select a 'softer' deployment, or full force. These type systems are the ones that can record the speed, decelleration, etc. upon a crash event.
But none of this stuff is recording billy bob when he peels out of the jiffy lube while you are at work.
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*sarcasm on* Hmm, I guess your 10 years as a master ford technician has made you a crab. *sarcasm off* If in fact there isn't one in these models, then expect them in the near future, it's an easy safeguard for the car manufacturer -- and I KNOW for a fact the new Lotus Elise does in fact have this feature. Sorry you felt my post was an attack at your work/life credentials, if you re-read it, you'll see it's not. However, your post would have been much more believable if you would have elaborated a little more like you did above, but so be it and thanks for your input.
And yes, I was drawing a reasonable assumption in the system basing my assumption off another vehicle manufacturers implementation, but I in no way specifically said "YOU'RE WRONG" triton. Thatnks for the paste, that should resolve this thread unconditionally then
And yes, I was drawing a reasonable assumption in the system basing my assumption off another vehicle manufacturers implementation, but I in no way specifically said "YOU'RE WRONG" triton. Thatnks for the paste, that should resolve this thread unconditionally then
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From: In a van down by the river
Well the PCM records driving habits and data because I pull information off of it all the time to get a discount on my car insurance through Progressive in their program. In their program you use their device to pull information off the PCM that tells them your driving habits. It can't raise your insurance but it makes you available for extra discounts if you're a safe driver. My PCM is black and it's a box shape, but I agree with ya, it's not a mysterious black box on a plane...just a little different but does similiar things.