Let's talk throttle...No not lag
went from....
throttle by wire
brake by wire
steer by wire
computers
computers controlling alot of functions of vehicles
complexity
A.I.
Robots taking over the world
Something like that anyway
throttle by wire
brake by wire
steer by wire
computers
computers controlling alot of functions of vehicles
complexity
A.I.
Robots taking over the world
Something like that anyway
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From: Fontana, CA
Yeah, damn computers. Look at how they screwed up during Y2K.... wait a minute, they didn't screw up at Y2K. I can't remember back that far anyway and if you think carbs and points are better than EFI then your memory is a lot worse than mine. Its not uncommon for modern vehicles to go 100,000 miles with no tuning except plugs. Older cars would have gone through two carb rebuilds and a dozen sets of points during those miles.
Just wait until Colossus and Guardian link up and then there'll be hell to pay.
Just wait until Colossus and Guardian link up and then there'll be hell to pay.
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From: Lancaster, PA
It seems as if we are going through the "tech terror" that fighter and airline pilots went through when their crafts were being designed around fly-by-wire systems...All things must change. uggh...I think I need another High Life...
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I personally have no problem with the concept and technology involved with throttle by wire. My beef is with this particular implementation of this technology.
My favorite 'Truck party trick' is to have my passenger observe my right foot as we're headed down the road. I floorboard the pedal and then pop back to the same position as before the 'trick'. The truck does nothing. No lurch, no hesitation, no indication that I've done anything with the pedal at all. With my old '65 Galaxie, you mashed the throttle like this and before you could back out, the transmission was already in the middle of a downshift and you were launching forward. Again, I've got no problem with throttle by wire per se, but the computer second guessing me when I tell it exactly what to do just pisses me off. Floored = WOT right now, not WOT when the computer realizes you really mean it.
Just my $.02
My favorite 'Truck party trick' is to have my passenger observe my right foot as we're headed down the road. I floorboard the pedal and then pop back to the same position as before the 'trick'. The truck does nothing. No lurch, no hesitation, no indication that I've done anything with the pedal at all. With my old '65 Galaxie, you mashed the throttle like this and before you could back out, the transmission was already in the middle of a downshift and you were launching forward. Again, I've got no problem with throttle by wire per se, but the computer second guessing me when I tell it exactly what to do just pisses me off. Floored = WOT right now, not WOT when the computer realizes you really mean it.
Just my $.02
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From: Columbus, Ohio
Originally posted by Galaxieman
My favorite 'Truck party trick' is to have my passenger observe my right foot as we're headed down the road. I floorboard the pedal and then pop back to the same position as before the 'trick'. The truck does nothing. No lurch, no hesitation, no indication that I've done anything with the pedal at all.
My favorite 'Truck party trick' is to have my passenger observe my right foot as we're headed down the road. I floorboard the pedal and then pop back to the same position as before the 'trick'. The truck does nothing. No lurch, no hesitation, no indication that I've done anything with the pedal at all.
mikebaby
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From: San Antonio Tx
I must admit the technology involved facinates and scares this ole motorhead but it does work perfectly on my 05, no lag what so ever. If it has anything to do with the fantastic gas mileage this 6000 lb tank gets then I'm sold! 
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Originally posted by FATHERFORD
No matter how you look at it, when it all comes down to it, throttle by wire sucks.
No matter how you look at it, when it all comes down to it, throttle by wire sucks.
TBW allows the ECU to figure out how best to achieve what the driver wants. For example: If the driver wants 1/2 the horsepower of what the engine can deliver, he or she would intuitively depress the throttle by 1/2.
Depending on the conditions, in order to achieve this result the throttle plate might have to be in a different position other than 1/2.
The ECU will make the necessary calculations based on the conditions and then tell the TBW to move the throttle plate to position X. Thus achieving the desired result.
Now I know Ford’s system is not perfect (throttle lag, etc) but reflashing or performance tuning à la Xcalibrator (etc.) will alleviate this problem.
Formula 1 cars have been using TBW for ages now and it seems to work for them. As a result, I think it should work for us. Though, like anything, any system is only as good as the people developing it.
If this truly is Ford’s first production stab at TBW, then I’d say they have done an acceptable job for a first time. Hopefully the product will get better with each generation.
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From: Houston TX
Well, I've got to chime in here myself. I have 2 vehicles with the drive by wire system. One of which is a Lincoln LS and the other is my 05' F150 Screw Lariat. My Lincoln LS is a 04' model, and the ford is far superior to the Lincoln in the drive by wire scenario. Granted they are both ford products, it seems that the 04-05 changes made a big difference. No complaints from me...atleast not yet.