F150vsMini Cooper
The new F-150 was the only truck out of all trucks tested to recieve a good across the board. Not even the Nissan or the Toyota can say that.
http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/...y_lgpickup.htm
http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/...y_lgpickup.htm
This is old news, but there's one thing that's being missed here and that is % of F150's on the roads in the states to any other vehicle (worlds best selling vehicle). Not only that this test was only on the Supercab and did not apply to all other F150 models.
That's right, sell your 97-03 supercab's!!
As if! I know what I'd rather be driving in a head on.
That's right, sell your 97-03 supercab's!!
As if! I know what I'd rather be driving in a head on.
two thoughs ... 1) I guess we suffer because we don't have rubermaid bumbers .. oh well ... and 2) its all relative, like someone said on this same post, is all have to do with weight and momentum ... notice all truck have P-Poor rating, yes because you cannot compare the size and weight of these trucks with the same rating you do a nissan sentra or so .. the momentum on this cars is a lot lot more .....
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I can't believe it. Guys are usually smart enough to know that weight and size of a vehicle does not necessarily correlate to safety.
Either you've all flunked physics class or you have too much "Ford Pride" for your own good.
Either you've all flunked physics class or you have too much "Ford Pride" for your own good.
Agent86--you are correct, partially. The weight and size of your vehicle doesn't necessarily mean you have a safe vehicle. It does need to be properly engineered and reinforced to protect the occupants. With this said if you have two equally well designed vehicles hit each other but one outweighs the other by 1000 lbs or more then the larger vehicle should sustain less intrusion into the passenger compartment. Look at the line of your favorite football team. I would say most are equally well engineered (the soft tissue can only take so much punishment before it tears..this should be about the same for each person). You don't see many 180 lbs linmen most are well over 200 lbs. There is a reason for this.
The larger vehicle has more materiel to absorb the energy of the impact.
I feel the off center impact into an imovable object is not a fair test for any vehicle. First most vehicle/immovable object crashes occur at very low speeds (backing). Unless the person totally lost control or fell asleep at the wheel they will normally turn the wheel to avoid the collision causeing some of the energy to be used by spinning the vehicle. Second, again saving for two people asleep at the wheel, head on collisions normally result in someone turning the wheel at the last minute, again causeing the energy to be used in a spin.
The larger vehicle has more materiel to absorb the energy of the impact.
I feel the off center impact into an imovable object is not a fair test for any vehicle. First most vehicle/immovable object crashes occur at very low speeds (backing). Unless the person totally lost control or fell asleep at the wheel they will normally turn the wheel to avoid the collision causeing some of the energy to be used by spinning the vehicle. Second, again saving for two people asleep at the wheel, head on collisions normally result in someone turning the wheel at the last minute, again causeing the energy to be used in a spin.
Originally posted by Agent86
I can't believe it. Guys are usually smart enough to know that weight and size of a vehicle does not necessarily correlate to safety.
Either you've all flunked physics class or you have too much "Ford Pride" for your own good.
I can't believe it. Guys are usually smart enough to know that weight and size of a vehicle does not necessarily correlate to safety.
Either you've all flunked physics class or you have too much "Ford Pride" for your own good.
Re: F150vsMini Cooper
Originally posted by Reloader
Hi guys. I came across this website and I was wondering if anyone has seen it or heard about it. I didn't know where else to make this post, but it seems like this forum has the most activity, so I put it here.
I really don't know what to make of it, but it sure isn't making me want to get rid of my F150.
If you could check it out and post your impressions on it, it could be an interesting discussion. Here's the link:
http://www.bridger.us/2002/12/16/Cra...perVsFordF150/
Hi guys. I came across this website and I was wondering if anyone has seen it or heard about it. I didn't know where else to make this post, but it seems like this forum has the most activity, so I put it here.
I really don't know what to make of it, but it sure isn't making me want to get rid of my F150.
If you could check it out and post your impressions on it, it could be an interesting discussion. Here's the link:
http://www.bridger.us/2002/12/16/Cra...perVsFordF150/
http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/...y_lgpickup.htm
after a quick scan of the linked article there doesn't seem to be any references to who preformed the crash test, these pictures could be from different speed tests.
The only reference cited was refering to the anual death stats compiled by Berkley, which don't take into account the fact the numbers of vehciles on the road just the deaths.
If you check the attached articles they link to SUV bashing sites, this webpage is very biased, take everything you read here with a grain of salt.
The only reference cited was refering to the anual death stats compiled by Berkley, which don't take into account the fact the numbers of vehciles on the road just the deaths.
If you check the attached articles they link to SUV bashing sites, this webpage is very biased, take everything you read here with a grain of salt.
Originally posted by 1depd
Agent86--you are correct, partially. The weight and size of your vehicle doesn't necessarily mean you have a safe vehicle. It does need to be properly engineered and reinforced to protect the occupants. With this said if you have two equally well designed vehicles hit each other but one outweighs the other by 1000 lbs or more then the larger vehicle should sustain less intrusion into the passenger compartment. Look at the line of your favorite football team. I would say most are equally well engineered (the soft tissue can only take so much punishment before it tears..this should be about the same for each person). You don't see many 180 lbs linmen most are well over 200 lbs. There is a reason for this.
The larger vehicle has more materiel to absorb the energy of the impact.
I feel the off center impact into an imovable object is not a fair test for any vehicle. First most vehicle/immovable object crashes occur at very low speeds (backing). Unless the person totally lost control or fell asleep at the wheel they will normally turn the wheel to avoid the collision causeing some of the energy to be used by spinning the vehicle. Second, again saving for two people asleep at the wheel, head on collisions normally result in someone turning the wheel at the last minute, again causeing the energy to be used in a spin.
Agent86--you are correct, partially. The weight and size of your vehicle doesn't necessarily mean you have a safe vehicle. It does need to be properly engineered and reinforced to protect the occupants. With this said if you have two equally well designed vehicles hit each other but one outweighs the other by 1000 lbs or more then the larger vehicle should sustain less intrusion into the passenger compartment. Look at the line of your favorite football team. I would say most are equally well engineered (the soft tissue can only take so much punishment before it tears..this should be about the same for each person). You don't see many 180 lbs linmen most are well over 200 lbs. There is a reason for this.
The larger vehicle has more materiel to absorb the energy of the impact.
I feel the off center impact into an imovable object is not a fair test for any vehicle. First most vehicle/immovable object crashes occur at very low speeds (backing). Unless the person totally lost control or fell asleep at the wheel they will normally turn the wheel to avoid the collision causeing some of the energy to be used by spinning the vehicle. Second, again saving for two people asleep at the wheel, head on collisions normally result in someone turning the wheel at the last minute, again causeing the energy to be used in a spin.
Go home and get 2 cinder blocks and then get an 4' 2x4 and a 2' 2x4 (half the weight off the 4').
Rest each one on the cinder blocks, cinder blocks at each end, and tell me which you can break easier.
Originally posted by Agent86
Junk science and lots of assumptions.
Go home and get 2 cinder blocks and then get an 4' 2x4 and a 2' 2x4 (half the weight off the 4').
Rest each one on the cinder blocks, cinder blocks at each end, and tell me which you can break easier.
Junk science and lots of assumptions.
Go home and get 2 cinder blocks and then get an 4' 2x4 and a 2' 2x4 (half the weight off the 4').
Rest each one on the cinder blocks, cinder blocks at each end, and tell me which you can break easier.
Originally posted by Raoul
couvln't breeak eitther one.
typping with otherr hand now, tanks alot
couvln't breeak eitther one.
typping with otherr hand now, tanks alot

Thanks. I needed that with the day I a have been having.
I agree with Agent86.
I dont care how safe, secure and a NASA enginer team can build a lil YUGO (small, safe, light weight) BUT an 18 wheeler (bigger, and heavier) will squash it like a bug.
When did this become an arguement that the F150 is better because it weighs more. I think the arguement was the opposite for this test since the F150 has to stop 5000+ lbs. Now if I am going to get in an accident with a mini, I rather be in my truck than that go cart. Why? Because I have an extreme advantage with weight, strength and size....now hitting a solid wall could be another story. Agent86 - you discussing simple moment arms and distributions of loads isnt really the same thing.
That is an irrelavant test. It simulates a straight on impact and does not allow for energy dissapation in any other way than for the wood to absorb it (i.e. no spinning). It also assumes you will take the frame or support structure of a Mini and use it to build a full sized truck. That would be like building a one story house out of wood, then attempting to build a 10 story building with the same material. The bottom floors could not support the upper floors for long before they would start to crumble. It would essentially be build a truck as a uni-body and not the framed vehicles they are.




