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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 05:13 PM
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I'm with you Thump.

But what I want to know is this. I'm not real familiar with a 2003 Expedition, but hydraulic front doors? The rear lift gate I see, but not the front. In fact, outside of the Lamborghini and Delorean I don't recall ANY vehicle having hydraulic doors. I may be ignorant and arrogant here, so someone school me if otherwise.

I'm sorry that your girl lost her finger in the door hinge, really I am, but come on...this ranks right up there with sticking your finger under the mower deck just to see what happens despite the blatant warning label.
A mower deck is not to be used by children, Im sure if it was they would make them A LOT safer, This is a huge Family car, mine even has a 9th seat because it's made for large familys.... A warning label would do no good for the children who ride in these cars all the time and have not learned to read, yes it was my falt for shutting the door on her finger. I should have known she was getting out the wrong way, I will never forget what I did but if that hinge was coverd she would not be going through all of this now.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by karebare2006
The day that I wrote on hear was my first time ever on this site so yes that was my first posting.Thanks to all who stated that they feel bad for my little girl , she is going through a hard time but she will be ok. Sargent's are amazing these days. I NEVER blamed Ford for my little girls accident believe me I feel the guilt about shutting the door and I hope some day I will be able to go a little while without feeling that but for now it has only been 3 weeks, I do however think that if there was a gard to cover the hinge I would not be on this site now and I would not be feeling all this guilt because she would have simply had her hand shut in a car door and it would have been fine a few days after but the hinge is what severed her finger and all that I am asking is that the Ford team know about it and make some kind of gard so that this horrifying event does not happen to anyone else and I know that Ford is very big on making cars safe for everyone and they know kids are in there cars. I also wanted to tell the other family that turned in there child's accident that they are not alone and this is happening to other children. Hydrolics=Im not a car person, Im a 29 year old mom I might have used the wrong word but there is somthing on my frunt door that is not on the back doors and that is what I would call it, but just so you don't think I am a air head I will do some reading on it and see if I can find the right name for this.

Wait, wait, wait... Are you for real? Seriously... get an attorney! Stop feeling guilty! you aren't the one making millions off of putting products into the stream of commerce. Ford is! It is Ford's responsibility to design the vehicle components safely. This is clearly a design defect for which your innocent daughter should be compensated. This is a text-book products liability claim. Manufactures and every party in the distribution chain is strictly liable for injuries stemming from the use of their product. There are a few exceptions, but without getting to deep into legal theory, this isn't one of them! Vehicles are not excepted. Get an attorney!

On a lighter note, you might also want to get your daughter to a surgeon unless the sargent that gave her medical attention was also a board-certified doctor.

Best wishes.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Supercrew04
Being a Ford Service Tech I wish I could tell you owe so many wonderful customer stories.

Tell that one lady to watch out for the hood and the tail gate they can hurt your fingers too.
That is just mean and it's to bad Ford has people like you working for them, Maybe you should open the frunt and middle door and take a look at what she is talking about, I think Ford would like some ideas on how to make this safe for kids and they would not like that you would talk about there customers as if they would be dumb and put there kids finger in a hood or tail gate she only asked that this was looked at she did not say it was the Trucks falt. It brings so much trama to everyone who sees a child's finger CUT off and it is somthing you never would forget. If it can be fixed why not try to help find a way. If you want me to tell you what to look at I would love to help but at least take a look at what we are talking about.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 05:27 PM
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by KSUWildcat
I'm sorry that your girl lost her finger in the door hinge, really I am, but come on...this ranks right up there with sticking your finger under the mower deck just to see what happens despite the blatant warning label.

Sorry, brother, but well-developed legal theory holds the manufacturer strictly liable for injuries as a result of using the product (in other words, if someone gets hurt with a product that could be made safer without substantially raising production costs, they are liable... period). If we didn't have such a law, the products we buy would look a whole lot different and be a whole lot more dangerous than they look today.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 05:43 PM
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if someone gets hurt with a product that could be made safer without substantially raising production costs, they are liable... period
She didnt get hurt using the product, She got hurt by closing her hand in the door.

If she cut her hand on a sharp corner getting in or out of the vehicle FORD might be liable. But its a no brainer that closing a door on your hand will result in substantial injury.

Its like putting your hand in a washing machine thats on spin cycle.

When you break a few fingers you cant turn around and sue Maytag.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by minus_13
Sorry, brother, but well-developed legal theory holds the manufacturer strictly liable for injuries as a result of using the product (in other words, if someone gets hurt with a product that could be made safer without substantially raising production costs, they are liable... period). If we didn't have such a law, the products we buy would look a whole lot different and be a whole lot more dangerous than they look today.
My intent wasn't to address the legality of either situation, but rather to compare the common sense factor (or lack therof) even after being warned and given a second to pause and ponder the consequences.

I don't pretend to know the first thing about liability lawsuits, but I do know a thing or two about not sticking my finger where it doesn't belong!
 
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 06:26 PM
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not 1 problem with mine, 25k miles and hasn't been into service once
 
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by minus_13
Wait, wait, wait... Are you for real? Seriously... get an attorney! Stop feeling guilty! you aren't the one making millions off of putting products into the stream of commerce. Ford is! It is Ford's responsibility to design the vehicle components safely. This is clearly a design defect for which your innocent daughter should be compensated. This is a text-book products liability claim. Manufactures and every party in the distribution chain is strictly liable for injuries stemming from the use of their product. There are a few exceptions, but without getting to deep into legal theory, this isn't one of them! Vehicles are not excepted. Get an attorney!

On a lighter note, you might also want to get your daughter to a surgeon unless the sargent that gave her medical attention was also a board-certified doctor.

Best wishes.
yes I ment Surgeon , her finger was stiched back on and then they did surgery 2 days later to attach the bone with a pin and it has been a roller coster ride every scince with infection and the tissue dying but this week it seams to be taking so we are able to breath a little better , Thanks for the best wishes!
 
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Podunk
She didnt get hurt using the product, She got hurt by closing her hand in the door.

If she cut her hand on a sharp corner getting in or out of the vehicle FORD might be liable. But its a no brainer that closing a door on your hand will result in substantial injury.

Its like putting your hand in a washing machine thats on spin cycle.

When you break a few fingers you cant turn around and sue Maytag.
I don't have time to pull case law for you, but you'll have to take my word for it - a plaintiff need only show that a product is defective in a products liability claim. The standard for determining whether a product is defective is whether the product is unreasonably dangerous. It's a no brainer to me (and apparently a majority of the legal community) that losing a finger because your hand was caught in a door is unreasonable. For the sake of debate, I wish it could be argued otherwise, but I don't believe it can be.

I think you might be getting a little side-tracked with the idea that the injuries in this case stem from the negligence of both the mother and child. Children under 4 years of age are usually considered without capacity to be negligent. Children over 4 years of age are generally held to the standard of a child with like age, intelligence, education, and experience (unless the child is engaged in an adult activity, in which case, they are held to an adult standard). Mom may have been negligent for closing the door on the child's hand and for not adequately supervising the child. But even where mom and child were negligent, there negligence would have to be gross in nature, and not merely ordinary negligence. Even if mom and child were grossly negligent, their negligence would be attributed a percentage, and Ford would still be liable for the remaining percentage under products liabilty theory, assuming the hinge was found to be unreasonably dangerous.

This is all very boring legal talk, and it is actually pretty dense stuff. I just wanted to give you a little insight into what the standards are. I think we can likely all agree that losing fingers in a car door is an unreasonable risk for a vehicle manufactured within the last 20 years (at least), nevermind a '04 - '06 vehicle. Breaking fingers is another story - there's a certain assumption of risk there, and really, how else would you make a door that wouldn't cost so much money in design and testing to price all of us out of ever owning a vehicle. At any rate, trust that Ford will have their staff of attorneys ready to mount a defense to these claims. In the meantime, let's try to refrain from pointing the finger at this family, considering the trauma they've had to endure, and likewise, considering the courage they've exhibited in sharing their story with us in an effort to make us all aware of the dangers posed by the hinge mechanism of our doors.
 

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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 07:35 PM
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Well, I'm not sure about California, but here the law states chains OR 4 wheel drive when the chain law is in affect.

You might want to call the CHP and ask them.
Back to the original topic - or at least one of them. Having grown up in So Cal, with a family cabin in Big Bear, I can tell you that the CHP does not care if you have a 4x4. There were many times they were enforcing chains on ALL vehicles, regardless of having a snow rated tire or 4 wheel drive. There were a few times when they let me go through without chains, but there were more times they made me install them.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2006 | 11:02 PM
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minus_13: Do you think I could sue Honda for when I broke my back since I broke my back on their bike? I was never told I could break my back or any other bones? CHA CHING!!! . . haha, Im just messing around. Its late!
 
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Old Jul 21, 2006 | 05:20 AM
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And what about the last one - I dont get it. Why cant you drive a 4WD in the snow without chains? My Lariat has handled more than 16 inches of snow at one time just fine.

That guy sounds like an idiot
I almost slid with brakes applied into an avalanche I was trying to pull out on the street (not really ice, just slick with a small grade. You need chains in many instances.
 
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Old Jul 21, 2006 | 11:08 AM
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Wind Buffeting

is what it is called with the back windows down, very common. it's created by unequal air pressure in the cab while at the same time air entering the cab and trying to exit the cab as well...
 
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Old Jul 21, 2006 | 11:40 AM
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That cab vibration is not just with the new F-150's. My wife has a 2002 Ch*vy Trailblazer EXT and it does the exact same thing. If you have the rear door windows down, without the front ones down, it sounds like a helicopter inside the vehicle. It gets worse the faster you go.

Funny thing about it was, that she noticed it first while she was by herself in the vehicle. She came home and told me about this "terrible noise" her new vehicle was making and she wasn't sure if it was safe to drive.

I went outside to take it for a test drive to see what was wrong, and of course the first thing I did was put up the rear windows so I could hear better for the noise, and I didn't hear anything.

One day a couple of weeks later we were in the vehicle together and figured out that it was caused by the rear windows being down while the fronts were up.
I noticed this one also. Found that if I pop up the sunroof, it takes care of the problem though.
 
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