If it is the Titan, I will lose the remaining respect I have for them anyway----they love imports to begin with, Tundra for example, which falls way behind the big three here by a long shot. the picked the VW for SUV and praised the interior which was orange. It is nothing but advertising and an article, nothing more. The Titan does not look a fraction as good as the new Ford, not inside or out. Plus, the best selling VEHICLE, not just truck, in America totally upgraded and put a lot of quality in as well. Awesome truck, (except for no side airbags which I'm getting tired of reading about!!) but more than likely will not win. First, this is Nissan's first big truck---MT and others love that ---second, how could a first time truck be better than the best selling, proven track record, sweeter than hell new F150? No way I would buy a Titan, just can't trust brand new models. Case in point, 1997 car of the year is the Chevy Malibu (another factor MT loves is bringing back the vintage vehicles ala like the new GTO, which is smooth by the way) so I buy a new 1998 Malibu---decent car and I emphasize decent---had FOUR new sets of rotors and 6 new sets of pads on it before I reached 28000 miles. Finally recalled the rotors and had no further problems. When I sold it last year with 75000 miles it had an oil leak, transmission fluid leak, and a rattle they could not find. Overall liked the car, but MT car of the year, Hardly. Nothing against them, I know they can't look long-term (Obviously) but come on. This means nothing---nothing but them acting like they know something you don't---If they pick the Titan, and they probably will, I will cancel both MT and Truck trend---I know the best truck will be in my driveway in a couple of months, no side airbags and all----

 

I got the truck of the decade 04 Ford F150. Motor Trend can keep that Japanese Junk TITANIC and to all future TITANIC owners better watch out for icebergs

 

I would actually be more shocked if Ford won. With all of the things that they still haven't done right, all of the complaints from members that you "fanboys" try to ignore, the recall they've all ready had... there's not a chance in hell it'd win unless it won based on style, which I think Ford has won hands down regardless of the fact that it's all cheap material (looks great...but cheaply made)...

For a first full size by Nissan, the Titan appears to be a pretty nice first try. It's ugly as hell, but still a nice first truck... Ford still has a LOT to make up for. Every year the F-150 is "just another F-150"...this year was obviously a vast improvement over previous years, but FOrd is still a step behind the competitors, just as they've always been.

Being the best selling truck in America means nothing, especially when it's also one of the least costly when compared to the competition. In other words, it's the cheapest full size truck on the market. If the best selling meant so much why are you complaining about winning an award? Does the fact that F-150's have NEVER won a truck award hurt your feelings? I'm sure it does. Anyone can be the best selling something...but that doesn't make it the better vehicle because if you notice, the stuff that usually costs the least is usually the best selling vehicle.

Is an Acura better than a Mercedes? No, but do you want to guess who sells more and why? I rest my case. Quick complaining and be happy that you seem to like the fact it's the best selling truck. It seems that you seem to like that fact anyway

 

Let the flaming begin!

 

I consider myself unbiased as I was not a Ford fanatic until I did my comparison shopping. I spent a helluva lot of time comparing all the existing pickups out there and doing online research on the Titan. Drove Dodge, Chevy, Toyota and even the Escalade EXT. The Ford won me over hands down. I love the new styling, superb road manners, room inside (I have a kid), plushness of the interior and the overall usefullness of this vehicle. I'm even tickled that my services will be much cheaper than my other cars.

I have four other vehicles, three of which are BMWs (2003 X5, 2002 M Coupe & 2000 540i). I could have gotten anything I wanted and I chose the new F150 for the above reasons.

Ford didn't have to make anything up to me - they just needed to show me something awesome. They did and it is now my favorite set of wheels in my stable. I believe this is a breakthrough vehicle for a wider demographic - I wouldn't have bought last year's model or many of the other pickups on the market.

Do I care if Ford wins MT Truck of the Year? Ah....no. I don't buy my vehicles based on what a magazine says.

 

Can someone help me down from this soapbox?

 

actually d2****, it is not the cheapest on the market, quite the opposite, dodge and chevy both decked out is cheaper and with cheaper financing----acura and mercedes, not sure what you meant, not sure I really care----point being over the long haul and time tested, the Titan will be slightly better than the "tundra" the last ugly import that MT jerked off too that now is easily proven to be second-tier, smaller, and a poor seller, even to guys like you,, you are a guy right??



God forbid I don't have side airbags!!!

 

wow ... "d2****"... not bad... how old are you? 12? You just showed right there your maturity level. Someone disagrees with you and you retaliate with name calling

I like the 04' as far as styling goes and was really looking forward to buying one until all of the problems started arising. The 04's are actually a lot more expensive because of Ford's huge mark-up, which many dealers that I've talked to (yes, FORD dealers) say is a bit ridiculous for those vehicles, which will drastically hurt it's sales value. Don't get me started on Dodge, as I think everyone already know how garbage those vehicles are.

Reliability like you said though with your Nissan standpoint is actually pretty true. That's one thing you said that I do actually agree on. Over the years time will time. Also over the years time has told that Ford's just aren't that great for the long haul as well. NOt only that, but they have next to zero resale value. Resale value does actually define your vehicle. If someting has bad or poor resale value it's because the product being sold isn't worth that much. I believe GMC/CHevy has the best resale value. Next comes Ford, and Dodge isn't even on the list.

Another thing about the 04' F150 is that while the styling is nice, it's easily forgotten and viewed as a baby looking F-250. the more I see them the less "special" they seem to be. I still think that Dodge Rams are the toughest looking trucks and every time I see them their presence doesn't cease to amaze me. But, looking past how well they look, the vehicle itself is bad. Ford's F-150 this year was hot until about it came out. After that I can barely notice the difference at a distance between it and previous F-250's... just the interior on the FX4 & Lariat are pretty gorgeous. I think i'm gonn wait for an 05' F-150 as I still have a lot of respect and "hope" in Ford, as I think they are heading in the right direction finally as of 04'...

 

d2alio,

I won't find it necessary to bash you for your opinion. Everybody has one. Differences in opinion are what make this site valuable to me. I can certainly appreciate a debate, but without the name calling. Personally, I want to hear both sides. I say, bring it......

Me - Well, I'm one of those guys who is trying not to chew my arm off while Ford builds my truck (see below). Any opinions I have on the '04 are irrelevant until I've logged some serious seat time. But I'll be sure to post mine when I get my truck, both good and bad.

I do disagree with you on the poor resale comment. I've owned '79, '87, '94, '97, '99 and '01 F-150's, and have done well with resale on all. That tells me something. Perhaps your experiences have been different.

Cheap parts? Everyones got 'em. That's what you're going to get from a high content, mid-priced vehicle - from anybody. All of my previous trucks have been chock full of them. I got used to it and learned to appreciate them for what they are, not what they aren't. Ford trucks have been reliable, durable, comfortable, predictable vehicles for me. What they haven't been is overly refined. My guess is that those previous attributes will remain and I'm really looking forward to the refined part!

 

Yeah, I might have sounded 12, but wanted to look at the difference in your posts.

Your second post:



You sounded a little vicious in your first post. "Quit complaining?" The only thing in my opinion is this board is advertised as a F150 "Enthusiast" website, which I obviously am. You are free to say anything you want, however, be prepared for whatever comes back. The motor trend bias and basically no reliability is what I am complaining about, because I swear to you, I think it doesn't mean jack, seriously. Last year, I liked the Trailblazers really well, they had a lot of problems and had recalls prior to being released. MT SUV of the year?? GMC Envoy, aka Trailblazer. So recalls early on in a new model is not that unheard of. Disagreeing with somebody is one thing, basically yelling at me to quit complaining and to quit worrying about sales is another. My mother-in-law sales Hondas so all I hear is resale, resale, resale. I wont argue with you about Ford is lacking there, to me though it is just like side airbags. Important to some (obviously) Just not to me, will not dictate what I buy, because it is a while before I resale anyway. With this said, I am even more Pro-Ford, Chevy, Dodge now than I ever was, mother-in-laws strenghthen this.

Debates are alright, direct insults are not. I apologize for the name, really couldn't think of much at 2 in the morning, obviously. My point is, I would not go on a Silverado site and criticize their product just to start something. Stating debatable facts is one thing, coming on this site and talking shiit about the F 150's and stating why you aren't going to buy one, well put it this way, you will get the intended result.

 

First, there already is a MT TOY thread.

Next, I believe the specification for any of Motor Trend's "Of the Year" awards is not what is the best product in the market. I think it is the most significant new/redesigned product in such market, meaning it has the biggest impact on the market. So, weather you love the Titan or hate it, the fact that peope all over the net are talking about it proves to me that it is very significant.

But, I don't really care, nor do I think people should get on their high horses for any side until it has even been announced.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by d2alio
" try to ignore, the recall they've all ready had...


Recall? Already on the 2004? Mind expanding a little. Thanks
wayne

 

Your correct on what they "say" the truck of the year award is based on, however, It is really picked on who is going to have the biggest and most bennificial advertising campaign for Motor Trend. Along with vehicles to compare, the manufacturers are required to submit their add campaign they'd use if they win. Why do this unless you want to pick the one that will help advertise your magazine?

That being said, I'm betting on Ford buying the Truck of the year award. Look at the money thats being spent on advertising. I suspect theirs more already spent to buy they truck of the year award.

 

recall, if you say there is a recall, please provide the campaign number or recall number.... as for recalls nissan is recalling 2.5 million cars worldwide with a bad sensor. If you want to debate the vehicle no problem, but if you are just trying to start sh$t with fans of a brand or particular vehicle, leave. Not trying to be rude or anything, but it is a waste of time unless you get your rocks off stirring the pot!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...issan_recall_9

 

I'll have to find the story, but Ford had a recall on all 4.6L engines on the new F-150 because of some part or whatever, and it also affected various other new model of Ford's. I believe the 5.4L are's fine though. Also, I'm not here to "criticize". I came here because I'm STILL in the market for a new truck. I like the F-150, but I'm just giving it a little time to see if all of these problems with it people are reporting are maybe local problems to them or big issue problems.

The new F-150 is still on my liked list so long as the problems I see here are either a) easily ironed out and not costly b) covered under warranty or c) seem to only exist with certain people because of whatever reason. I don't want to get a vehicle and have to continually take it in for repair. Plus, I get employee discount at Ford thanks to a family member that's been working there for years haha... but I'm not worried about the money, I want what's going to last me and provide me with the least trips to repair.