I was saying "out of the box" meaning the way it showed up to me. Mike doesn't start with a "standard tune" and just tweak the parameters, and the adjustments available for him to make in the Xcal2 device aren't available on the Edge.

There's more to tuning than some would like to believe. It's not as easy as putting the truck on a dyno, looking at the A/Fs and making adjustments to the fueling.

 

Can you monitor or log your A/Fs with just a tuner? If so, I haven't figured it out with the Edge. Can the XCal2 monitor A/Fs? That would be a real plus.

 

Hmmm, let me see. Not one correction to any mistake you think I've made. Not one piece of contributing information at all really...only an attack on someone suggesting an alternative to Troyer.

Now, what could possibly be the motivation here? Not to give information. Not to contribute to the discussion. Only to attack someone who suggests that there may be ONE person within the million of americans who could tune a vehicle..other than MT. A shocking suggestion to say the least.

As I've suggested before, I do wonder at your motivation. And yet again, I am led to believe that there is some sort of connection between you and Troyer and you are either protecting his income...or your own. Or possibly you are just one of those trollers on the net who likes to argue, like we all did when we were 14 or 15 yrs old.

Starting a fight with anyone suggesting there may be other tuners...and doing so at every opportunity you get....only further proves my point. My post was as non-confrontational as could be wished, and I asked for anyone to correct me where I may have gone wrong. You corrected nothing, only choosing to show your ***. Emotional outbursts without cause have to be for a reason. So, I thank you for proving my point. A quick search of your posts shows the vast majority of what comes from your keyboard are attacks on anyone who questions MT or suggests other tuners. Well, except for the one where you defended his E-fan kit. Either way, you seem to land in his corner any time anyone posts about a problem, or a potential competitor. That in itself makes your 'back to back comparison of the edge and Xcal" very questionable.

Bill

 

Thanks for all of the reply's guys. Sorry to have started a fight here. Bill you have been more than helpful. I think I will check into the Xcal SF tuner. Does anyone know the website. I would like to do a little research myself. Again thanks again everyone you have helped me out alot here.

 

I am not familiar with this product but the SCT info for it is here: http://www.sctflash.com/product_SF.php

 

Be sure to let us all know how that one works out for you. Can never have to many gadgets and gizmos to choose from as far as I'm concerned. Besides, competition forces improvements and innovation...and we're all better for it.



Bill

 

No need for me to correct your errors, jpdadeo had already done it.

My suggestion was that rather than making assumptions that you might consider taking the time to find out the facts. Have a nice day.

 

Facts don't seem to be a strong point for most of his threads.

Most seem designed to get a reaction out of those that have patronized a PROVEN vendor that he has absolutely no experience with by promoting items with no history, no track record of worth, and implying everything under the sun against said vendor, with no proof whatsoever other than his self styled qualification as a former employee of one of the big three auto makers.

The real problem I have with this is the promoting to unsuspecting new members unproven products with no facts to back his ravings.

Anyone that questions these tactics is immediately made fun of as some employee, a idiot, a moron, and countless other insults instead of any factual representation of his position.

Perhaps this may well be why he is a "former employee" instead of a current one.

But this is all besides the point, anyone that really researches through these forums can see what is really going on here.

I know we should not feed the troll. but this one in particular is humorous, and other than the possible damage to new members taking his advise, his rantings continue to be a source of amusement.

 

Hi.

This explains why your tuning file (in a version that allows adjustments) is not provided. Some folks were playing fast & loose with their XTR's. Read on ...

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...&highlight=XTR

Safe End-user adjustability is available on Xcal2's so enabled.

W.R.T datalogging, you do just email the requested data, as painstakingly detailed in the docs provided ( and discussed at length here - Search). The hardware itself may need to be shipped back to your dealer only for a very few explicit reasons - unlocking, updates that can't be provided via email, or a product defect - - check out this recent post for a little more info:

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=214728

Best to ask Mike about your 'multiple datalogging' concerns. Good question BTW ... and there have been some previous posts referring to this requirement for specific reasons.

Hope this helps. Good luck with your Edge.

Cheers
Grog

 

You know, I find it hilarious that some attack others for what *they* are actually doing, as if anyone were going to be fooled by that -

The people here that rave about us are NOT compensated in any way - they are not employees, they get *nothing* special from us.

You can easily adjust at least as much with the XCal 2 as you can with any other unit on the market - however, in *our* custom tunes for these trucks, since we have far more R&D into these vehicles tuning than anyone else, and as can be seen by those who have posted here who owned both the Edge and our unit, or the Hypertech and our unit, or the Diablo and our unit, we beat every one of them right out of the box, we do NOT allow a wide enough range of adjustments to our tuning that we KNOW can harm the vehicle - we are concerned with long-term durability, so we do not allow people to damage their vehicles by cranking things far enough off from what we do to create a dangerous scenario.

"Name" chipmakers hire us for assistance in the development of their products, just as we routinely provide testing & R&D services for other parts for these vehicles due to our 14+ years of specializing in this platform.

In fact, every time one of these threads with misinformation & obvious tactics, people see right thru that and our phones ring off the hook with more sales. Most people read, they don't actually post here - and most people that read here are smart enough to know that they want the best possible results & expertise they can get if they are going to modify their $40K new vehicle -

So here's some truth:

1.) People here do NOT get bombarded with sales hype from us as has been alleged - we tell it like it is, and our customers know this and have pointed that out in each of these threads here lately.

2.) We have done numerous public Dyno Days during which we do direct comparisons, with someone ELSE running the dyno, and not even OUR dyno at that - and in every case we blow them away, hands down, with more safe & sustainable power. And as we can all see by reading the posts here for years, there are plenty of members here who have tried every other product including the Edge, Hypertech, Diablo, etc. and compared it to our tuning, and we have come out on top each time with more safe & sustainable power.
There are just too many of these 2004 & up F-150's that are running lean from the factory despite *ALL* of them having a 12.0:1 A/F commanded - not ALL of them mind you, and you never know which one it's going to be - you just don't know until you datalog them. That why we talk so much about the fact that they need to be custom tuned & datalogged.

The 2003 & earlier F-150's can generally use an off-the-shelf unit if they are happy with getting less results. But even before that, for many years we have been providing each and every one of our custom tuning customers with complete datalogging instructions written for the first-time user, and all they need to do is to email that data in and we email any tweaks needed back out to them. That DOES NOT negate the number of on-board adjustments they have on our XCal 2's as some have been trying to falsely paint -

Now everyone is more than welcome to do what they want to with their vehicle, and we want everyone to be happy with whatever they choose -
This is precisely what America is all about - build a better mousetrap and people will come - and that is why we have specialized in the performance of the F-150 platform for longer than anyone else, and have performance tuned more of them. It's what we do. The people that post here positively about us talk nicely about us because we have *proved* ourselves to them, we earn our reputation by treating them just like we want to be treated, and it shows - which is why we have a customer satisfaction rate slightly in excess of 98%.

To dispel yet another misstatement - XCal 2's arrive here blank, we tune them from scratch, using no template or pre-built files, etc., one at a time for every single tune, for each unit, for each individual customer.

And to dispel another false statement, there is no 6 weeks wait, either - (though there have been a few who waited a good while due to issues such as undocumented reflashes, etc.) - for example, right now we are at 12 business days as of today, from the time we receive our customer's CPW's (Custom Program Worksheets) back until the time the tuning is done and is ready to ship out the door - right now that is 12 business days. Just as we said 2 weeks ago, when we pointed out that it was 14 business days as of the date of that post, and told everyone it would go up a few days due to the holidays - which it did - and is now back down to 12 business days as of the units that ship out today.

Those are the facts - and with that said, we hope everyone is happy with whatever they choose, just as we have always said.

 

Well put as always - I received my new XC2 s/c tunes and updates.... my knees are shakin in anticipation

 

[And to dispel another false statement, there is no 6 weeks wait, either - (though there have been a few who waited a good while due to issues such as undocumented reflashes, etc.) - for example, right now we are at 12 business days as of today, from the time we receive our customer's CPW's (Custom Program Worksheets) back until the time the tuning is done and is ready to ship out the door - right now that is 12 business days. Just as we said 2 weeks ago, when we pointed out that it was 14 business days as of the date of that post, and told everyone it would go up a few days due to the holidays - which it did - and is now back down to 12 business days as of the units that ship out today.

Those are the facts - and with that said, we hope everyone is happy with whatever they choose, just as we have always said. [/QUOTE]

I hope mine hits the door any day now.

 

As "non-confrontational as could be wished" you said? I think you could have done better.

 

Thank you very much for the reply's guys

 

I sure love the dancing bananas. Now, I grabbed a section out of Mike's post because I am one of those. I had a Diablo. It left my truck brain dead for an entire weeked. You see it wouldn't load the perf tune and it wouldn't load the truck's stock tune. I was finally able to contact Diable Tech Support and was told to keep trying... eventually it would go back in. It did after 18 tries. Each time it would load to between 50 & 90% and then fail. Finally, I got lucky. I was even more lucky when my Superchip 1714 came in. I ran my truck with this for 18 months. Then, I decided to go one better. XCAL2. My goodness. The best part, and this was posted previously, was the fact that Mike Troyer was good to his word. Everything and I mean everything he said, he delivered on. I grew up in the 60s & 70s in a small town. That was when you didn't need contracts. A handshake was good enough. A man's word was all that was needed. Service for many is lacking today; but, not with Troyer.

Now, I was a little concerned with my XCAL2. Driving with it in drove me nuts cause I had trouble maintaining speed. Mike, Anita, Crystal all told me to be patient. Well, today I found the problem. I had noticed a vibration coming from under my truck since I installed the 6" Pro Comp lift. Pro Comp had me check the vacuum hubs thinking they weren't fully engaging. I tore them apart this past weekend and put them back together. They weren't the problem. Today, I got my front drive shaft back from a driveline shop now equipped with a double cardon CV on the transfer case side - it was all balanced.

Oops there's those bananas again.

The truck is now so so smooth in 4 Wheel or not. And... the best part, it rolls so much smoother resulting in ... guess what... no trouble maintaining speed any more. It wasn't the tune at all that I couldn't get used to. The tune simply showed an existing problem I hadn't felt with the 1714. The vibration in the front drive shaft was dragging the truck down.