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Old Apr 25, 2001 | 11:02 AM
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Does anybody know if there are any future plans by ANY tire manufacturer to make a tire bigger than a 265/70/17 and smaller than a 33/10.5/17. I would like a 285/70/17. Also, how much difference is there from a 265 to 285 tire? Thanks for any info you can provide.
 
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Old Apr 25, 2001 | 11:41 AM
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When you find out, let me know because that's the size I'm looking for.

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Old Apr 26, 2001 | 12:26 AM
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Did you try www.tirerack.com ? If anyone has it, they do.

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Old Apr 26, 2001 | 07:57 AM
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If you could find a 285/70R17, the size difference will be 20mm in section width or about 7/8" wider. This will also lead to your height being 32.7" overall on the 285/70R17 compared to 31.6" on the 265/70R17. Your thought that you want a 285/70R17 to be between a 265/70R17 and a 33/10.5R17 doesn't make any sense. A 285 tire is 11.22 inches wide and 32.7 inches in overall height. This is only 3/8" shorter than a 33 and is nearly 1" wider than a 10.50 width tire. Your 265"s are actually 10.433 inches wide so your near your 10.5" limit you say you want to be around? I would think that if you only want to be a little taller, you should consider the 33X10.50R17's because you will pick up 1.4" in height and only pick up 1/8" on overall width (which is actually what gives fitment problems anyway) You could crank your torsion bars to clear the additional height and not have to worry about rubbing your rails by adding any width. Just my .02 cents. If you have any questions, let me know.

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Old Apr 26, 2001 | 11:30 AM
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Tirenut,
Thanks for the info. You have alot more knowledge about this than I do. So basically what your saying is, if I want a taller tire then the 33/10.5/17 is not that much difference. Well let me ask you this. I have the stock 17in ORP rims. As you probably know they are 7.5 in wide. Pro Comp requires an 8 in wide or better. What do I do? Thanks for your help. Any more assistance you can provide would be helpful. Thanks!

 
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Old Apr 26, 2001 | 02:12 PM
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I don't know if Pro-Comp makes a 33/10.50R17, but I know for a fact that they make a 33/12.50R17 A/T. This tire does recommend a 8-10" rim.

There are people on here that put 12.50's on stock 7.5" rims and say they have no trouble. The only thing you need to remember is that on a narrower rim, you will "bulge" the tread out in the center because it is not on it's normal (i.e. designed for) rim size. The sidewalls will look taller and the tread may not wear even all the way across. You will basically be driving on the bulged center section of tread. Some of this can be overcome by lower tire pressure, but we all know what that does to gas mileage. Also, If you over-compensate with decreased air pressure too much you will get a "soft" driving tire just by trying to utilize all of the tread area.

I personally feel that a 33/12.50 tire looks MUCH better the closer you get to a 10" rim than say a 7.5 or 8, but it is only my opinion. It makes the tire look much more "boxy", or "squared shoulder" or whatever you want to call it because it doesn't have to roll the tread edge inwards to head for the rim bead. It has a much flatter footprint that contacts the road. This is especially noticeable on tires with a squared shoulder design like the BFG AT K/O's or the ProComps. I have seen them both ways and like the looks of the wider rim better every time.

The 33" tire would be about 1.4" taller than the current 265, which would give you .7" more all the way around for clearance problems. Now, the problem is that 33" quoted height is only for a tire on a "nominal" rim. If you narrow up the rim - you effectively make the tire taller because you have bulged it out about it's tread centerline - not much, but it will definately be measureable. If you go with a rim that is too wide, you will shorten the overall height of the tire because you have basically flattened it out to fit the rim.

The long and the short of it is this, you can put the 33/12.50R17 tires on a 7.5" rim. People have done it and they will fit - you may have to trim mudflaps or valences, but nevertheless, they will fit. The tire will be taller (1.5-2.0" or so) and a little wider (a few inches), but it should go on the truck. All trucks are a little different, so definately try the fitment before you buy. Mine 97 would not hold the 33/12.50R16.5's without the 3" lift, but I used 9.75" wide rims, which does make the tire wider and thats where I was rubbing - on full lock turns.

Tire warranty is another question. If you put the tire on a rim that doesn't fall within the manufacturer's recommended guidelines and you try to make a warranty claim on that tire - I know the answer you will get - TOO BAD. There is a reason you will wear quicker in the center.

All of this is food for thought, sorry I ramble on for so long about tires, but hey - its what I do for a living - Just check out my address!

Hope this helps and good luck!



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Old Apr 26, 2001 | 11:30 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tirenut:
If you could find a 285/70R17................ you should consider the 33X10.50R17's because you will pick up 1.4" in height and only pick up 1/8" on overall width (which is actually what gives fitment problems anyway</font>
Ok, TIRENUT, ...here's the rub(pun intended). I cannot find a 285/70R17 or a 33x10.50R17 or anything close. I have 265/70R17 BFG's. The next biggest thing I can find is ProComp's 33x12.50R17, which I am afraid might RUB. &lt;&lt;Question&gt;&gt; Do you know of a manufacturer who makes a tire close to 285/70R17? I work for Michelin, and cannot get a tire near that size from any of our 3 major brands. I am at the point where I am willing to settle for a brand other than BFG *IF* they produce the size/tread pattern I want. I, too, like the "square" look of a tire on the appropriate width rim, but I am close to buying the wide ProComps just to get a taller tire. The BFG A/T TA ko's I have look awesome, perform excellently, and I can easily get a new set of the same 265's I have now, but....man, I want some taller tires badly! Any info you could provide on a manufacturer/availability would be greatly appreciated. Also.....what tire company do you work for? (One would assume BFG from your sig)

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Old Apr 27, 2001 | 08:26 AM
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Sorry guys, I can't help much more. Not very many manufacturers are making a very big selection of tires in 17" rim diameters - yet. This is probably because there aren't many OE manufacturers spec'ing 17" tires on their new vehicles. The OE market is what really drives the tire production. If the majority of the new cars are shipping with 16" rims, then obviously the majority of the tires made will be in the 16" rim size. Rubber companies (especially the bigger ones) are pretty slow to the draw when it comes to what the customer really wants now. They must design the tire, have prototype molds made, do testing, finalize the design, have the final production molds produced, manufacture the tire, distribute, etc, etc.... It takes time.

This is the drawback to Ford's 17" rim they offer. People don't realize that they are shooting themselves in the foot when the get them. It sounds cool to say you have a 17" rim, but you are severely limiting yourself to what you can replace them with. Selection is low and price is high. You can replace it with the stock size, but you are undersize on rim width for most any other option. I don't understand why Ford insists on a 7.5" rim width.

This is the main reason I would get the 16" wheels or buy aftermarket 16 or 16.5" wheels. You get a HUGE selection of sizes in 16" because that's what most new off-road vehicles come with and there is the old standby 16.5" rim size that has been the hardcore off-roaders favorite since the 70's - plenty of selection. My BFG 16.5" tires were way cheaper than the same size tire in 16" rim width - and I mean ALOT (40-50 bucks per tire) - that's because the 33X12.50R16.5 tire has been around forever. That's saving nearly half the cost of a new aluminum wheel - per tire! Replace your tires twice and you've justified buying yourself some new wheels!

The only thing I can tell you is to watch the more "progressive" tire companies like Pro-Comp or Yokohama, they tend to watch what the market wants more closely and try to satisfy - that's all I can tell you

Oh yeah, to RebelYell. I don't work for any specific rubber company - In fact,I work for all of them. We are a privately owned tire mold manufacturer that produces molds for them all - Goodyear/Kelly/Dunlop/Sumitomo, Bridgestone/Firestone/Toyo, Michelin/BFG/Uniroyal, Cooper, MickeyT, Cepek, Conti/General......etc, etc. We see the new stuff before most people & I will honestly say that I haven't seen what you are looking for.

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Old Apr 30, 2001 | 02:24 PM
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Randigitydog, RebelYell,

I haven't seen a 285/70R17, but Goodyear does make a 275/70R17 in the Wrangler GS-A. This tire comes stock on some Dodge RAM pickups. Personally, I don't like the tread design of the GS-A, but if you're looking for something a little larger than a 265/70R17 and smaller than a 33x12.5R17 Pro-Comp, then this is really your only choice.

Depending on your setup, you might be able to get away with 33x12.5R16.5 tires without needing a lift. See my other message regarding the 33x12.5R16.5 BFGs I just put on my Expedition:

https://www.f150online.com/f150board...ML/001075.html

Tirenut, I'm surprised to see that you needed a 3" lift to accommodate your tires. I just need to do a little trimming of the inside part of the front bumper.


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Old May 2, 2001 | 08:32 AM
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RJ,

Trust me, I needed the lift. How wide are your rims? I bought the 9.75" width and I think that made alot of the difference. Alot also depends on the offset of your wheel. My wheels and 33x12.50 tires do not stick out past the fender flares at all. I wanted it that way so I wouldn't be throwing rocks up all over the side of my truck. The newer model years are definately taller than the early 97's like mine. Trucks are different and I just like to warn people that what fits for most will not fit for all. Take Care

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* 16.5 X 9.75 Eagle 1439 Wheels
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Old May 2, 2001 | 03:01 PM
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Tirenut,

I went with Centerline Pythons which are also 9.75" wide. The backspace is 4.5" which is just a little more than the stock rims. Your rims must have a little deeper backspacing than mine. I would have needed a backspacing of at least 5.5" (which I haven't seen) for my tires to clear the inside corners of the bumper.

Your point about trucks being different is true. Ford has made subtle changes here and there since 97. People should be take this into consideration when reading about people's modifications to their trucks.



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Old May 3, 2001 | 01:35 AM
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RJ-Expedition: This might sound kind of ****, but doesnt American Racing make the Python wheels, not Centerline? No big deal, but it might save you some grief from people bugging you about it some other time...

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Old May 4, 2001 | 03:36 PM
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sdiesel316,

I don't know if American Racing makes a "Python" wheel also, but mine are definitely Centerline. The style number is 63. These are part of the Extreme Duty Billet series. I'm sure wheel companies end up using some of the same names just by coincidence.

Here's the link to the Centerline page for their Extreme Duty Billet wheels:

http://www.centerlinewheels.com/w_catalog/extreme.html


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Old May 5, 2001 | 12:14 AM
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Cool...Well I didnt know Centerline also made a wheel by the name of "Python" so I guess we learn something new everyday..
 
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