I need precise info from someone who genuinely is in the know about EXACTLEY what is old and new in a FQR engine. My attorneys are considering a class action suit against ford, as we are convinced that many customers of engine replacement are unaware that there engine is a rebuilt motor with parts from previously blown motors after talking with many current owners in doing the research. If you would like a part of this lawsuit, which will also specify damages for engines that owners KNEW were rebuilt, violating the spirit of the warranty, I will open a post on this in the future depending on how this progresses. I appreciate any and all help in this. I have contacts with the media that are also developing a keen interest in this story that was spawned by a VERY obvious attempt to slip a rebuilt in mine after showing me a new motor and claiming mine would be EXACTLY the same. Any feedback or thoughts on how you feel violated by the rebuilt/renewed motor in place of your new engine would be appreciated. Did you know the value of your truck dropped instantly when you took possession with the rebuilt engine? I have documented affadavits of this in the make as I type. Thanks ahead for your responses. Wonder how many of you have blocks that are actually older than your truck itself, or that had 30,000 miles on them before they replaced your blown motor with 15,000 miles on it? How many warped heads are out there waiting to fail prematurely. It is a hard fact that a rebuilt engine is 1. cheaper 2. not manufactured as stringently as far as qual. control, and 3 will generally run 36,000 miles no matter how you assemble it. Dont count on 100,000 plus out of it, a rebuilt just doesnt go that far. Are they resleeved, or bored bigger? a bigger bore means your engine is out of spec with what you paid for when you bought your truck. A resleeved cylinder can have all sorts of extra problems a straight original bore does not. If the cylinder was lightly honed , undersized pistons were used, or oversized rings, it will be nowhere near the lifespan of the original engine design. None of these facts are really disputeable through expert witnesses and clinical studies avialable at any university library with a mechanical engineering dept. I am committed to running this down, and as I said several local attorneys are taking a very keen interest in this issue. Thanks ahead!!

 

Stop lawsuit abuse..
You yourself are making alot of claims and generalizations.
You claim a rebuilt engine will not go 100k miles. Why do you think this?

You then go into a hypethetical (sp) on various issues involving cylinder re-sleeving, when you don't even know if that s a practice thats done on the FQR engines.. You claim the facts on this possible situation are indisputable, but you don't know if thats really the case..
Also, you claim 2 other facts. A. FQR engines are cheaper. I'd say this is probably true.. Why does that matter?

B. FQR engines are not manufactured with as strict quality control as new engines.. What are your facts to support this claim?

C. Any engine will last 36k miles no matter how its assembled. again what are your facts for this claim?

If someone promised you a 'new' engine and they gave you an FQR, then it would appear that they should give you what the promise.

I know that other folks here have express dis-appointment on receiving FQR engines, but I believe most folks were told by their dealer about this before hand..


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I hope you have really convinced yourself that this is true. I can understand being less than happy if you get a rebuilt engine to replace a new engine. The fact is, if it is done properly and within specs, it will be just as good as a new one.

You are making general statements that don't add up. Do you really think they put a crank in that they kicked around the shop floor for a week?

I can understand your point. I hope you understand that a class action suit will only make your lawyers richer because they get a percentage from everyone. I hope you also understand that for every lawsuit Ford has to defend, the $$ figures in our vehicles will ultimately reflect.

 

obviously you guys are not interested in taking the same actions I am. I am not using this format to present my hard evidence nor defend my position. If you have a rebuilt, I hope it goes 200K. The main prob. I have is putting used parts in a veh. that is still under warranty. I am ok with others not offended by this. Thanks for your replies.

 

Thanks for making my next Ford truck cost more. Let me take this opporitunity to remind you that as you are sitting here typing this crap and your lawyers are gathering research they are probably billing you by the hour. So rather than sue ford on these claims you would actually save money by trading the truck you have in and getting a new one rather than pay the lawyers to fight for a new one. I am going to college for a degree in phsychology and in economics and your "media sources" and your "attorneys" are gonna get into quite a financial mess.

"My attorneys are considering a class action suit against ford, as we are convinced that many customers of engine replacement are unaware that there engine is a rebuilt motor with parts from previously blown motors after talking with many current owners in doing the research."


Your "attorneys" will tell you anything. They are in it for the benjamins.

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17 inch Wheels
Stepside, K&N, bedliner
32inch tires,flowmaster,
tint, matching ford sticker
5spd fully loaded, hidden hitch
new spark plugs

 

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Ha! That's what happened! Ford couldn't find enough parts to rebuild the engine, so they put in some that didn't work the first time! The Chad rebuild!
"Yes, I think they intended for this to be a connecting rod"...."put it in the connecting rod stack".

 

Nitrox, I am so displeased that you dont approve. Get a life. Waldo, get your degree in psych. I already have one, and a masters, too. Learn to spell first if you want to be taken seriously ("phsychology?"). As for the money, the representation is free, and the class action suite that may be spawned from my suit would not at that point be my buisiness. If a group of attorneys decides to sue Ford based on my case, that is in thier hands. As for the "leave ford alone" quote, my vehicle has been in the shop for 45 days, and you critics dont have room to speak unless you have been in my shoes. As far as I'm concerned Ford is practicing bad buisiness and needs to be held accountable. If there is no basis for this suit, why would any of you care anyway? It will just die on its own, IF there is no basis for it.
I get the feeling that there are some responses to this thread missing.
I liked the Gore comment and stealing my own radio thing. It amazes me how immature people will sink to character assassination when they dont like something someone says.
It really makes me feel important to be quoted, too. Thank you, and a good day to all!!

 

Andrew,
If your Ford has been in the shop for 45 days, then most likely you'd qualify for some type of lemon law issue..
If Ford is treating you personally in a manner which you don't agree, then by all means, take that up with Ford via Ford Arbitration..

Now on to some of your other comments, (because you like to be quoted).
You say:
'Why would any of you care anyway?'
Answer:
- The class action suit in this case benefits only the Lawyers and not the consumers of Ford.

Because of this constant threat from frivolous litigation like your proposing, Ford is required to keep a large staff of lawyers and insurance to 'protect' themselves from the rare cases where the plaintiff might actually win.. How do they compensate for this cost? They raise the price of their vehicles.

There are several other mechanisms in place that are more efficient for Ford, and provide benefit to the consumer in cases like yours.
a. Ford Arbitration is one way.
b. Lemon law. (Start this process via Arbitration).
c. Market forces. Do not buy Fords if you don't agree with their process'. Buy vehicles from another manufacturer.
'IF' there is a real problem, Ford will change their practices in order to keep customers.

You say:
'I get the feeling that there are some responses to this thread missing.'

I think its absolutely absurd that you think that the forum moderators are deleting posts that agree with your point of view.
You've been a participant here long enough to know better.

I 'as another Ford owner' would urge you to pursue via Ford Arbitration and discourage any type of class action suit.

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andrew S
I too have had problems with a Ford Re-manufactured Transmission and Engine. If you have a legitimate Lemon then Ford will be accountable to replace your vehicle. Is it the Lawyers that you believe are more honorable than Ford ? At least Ford wants your repeat business, the lawyers only rip people off and leave for the next victim in the name of "justice". When is the last case you heard where lawyers took on a class action just for the "good" of it while even losing money? The class action lawsuit has become the most abused system to where it is more corrupt than any injustice it seeks to "remedy". My advice (speaking from personal success) is to just write a letter to Ford and the dealer explaining the facts and that your next course is the lemon law. If qualified you will quickly get a replacement, with the class action you may get nothing and it will take years.

 

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andrew s,

Before you invest any more time with this lawsuit please return to your warranty booklet you were given at the time of purchase and read/re-read it. It is clearly stated that Ford may use remanufactured parts for warranty work. IMHO You have no basis for a lawsuit. Who are your lawyers? Dumb & Dumber? Sorry couldn't resist. Good luck anyways.

Kindest regards

Jean Marc Chartier

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Warn XD9000i, skid plates, Draw tite class III,
Rancho RSX Reflex shocks,
BFG 285/75 R16 MTs,
Borla Cat Back, Headman Headers,
Modified Air Cleaner Outlet Tube
and air box, Ported Throttle body,
Shortened MAF sensor tower,
K&N air filter,
Superchips

 

I have to disagree with some of you stating that Ford would pass the costs of lawsuits over to the customers. Ford can't raise prices without losing sales to other manufacturers. Although, the price elasticity of demand for pick-up trucks in general might be low, it is relatively high for a single manufacturer (like Ford) and in that case a price increase would result in a large decrease in sales. That's because consumers would still have other options.
However, I don't recommend a class action either. IMHO, you have a much better chance for winning an individual lemon case than a class action while your benefit would still be the same: a new engine.

 

For all of you who jump to about 10 conclusions, I A) am going through arbitration B) was not referring to posts bieng deleted, was refering to those who are bieng silent on this issue, knowing there a some who have been through this, and C)Class action is not my decision and is not on my personal behalf D) I know about lawyers, frivolous law suits, yada yada. E) Have read my warranty manual - I know exactly what it says, and F) I dont know if the lawyers are dumb and dumber, they arent representing me personally, and G) I have not filed anything yet. NOW..........If any of you can help me with my problem, I would be greatful. By the way, I didnt mention that the dealer left my drain plug loose causing loss of all lubrication, did I? This preceeded my failure by about 6 months, but I had been complaining about this engine before that.

 

To all of you against Andrew: I paid 30,000 for a new truck. My engine blew the second month I had it. Does this give Ford the right to replace it with a refurbished one because that's what it says in their warranty? I don't think so! I was not offered any compensation for the difference between a new and refurbished engine and the hassle I have to go through. I went back to the dealer and demanded they order me a new one. With prodding from the bank that wrote the check, they did. If the rest of you want to settle for things like this than go ahead, but don't blast people who are trying to improve the quality of Ford's final product. Cost will NOT be passed to us from a lawsuit. Also, are all of you who down lawyer's convicts? Yes there are some lawyers who are scum, but theres also a whole bunch who are not. As for phsychology… I am also pursuing college degrees. I will graduate in 2 weeks with one in environmental science and one in aerospace engineering. What does that have to do with refurbished engines???? Your quote, "Your 'attorneys' will tell you anything. They are in it for the benjamins." What do you think is Fords main goal, love for fellow man?



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