>I would just like to know why Ford dose not put the 5.4L variations in more things?
>Why can you only get the DOHC 5.4 in the gator? why not in the super dutys? I think off the top of my head the SOHC 2v used in the F-series puts out 260hp(correct me any time if I am wrong) The DOHC 5.4 in the gator puts out 320 either this year or by 02 for sure. So that leads me back to my Q? how come you can not get a DOHC 3v/4v 5.4 in the super dutys?

>>And why did they never put the 5.4 in the Mustang(besides the V-E-R-Y limited "R") I know in the next 2 years they are going back to the 5L in the stang, dose anybody know if that will be a pushrod or a OHC/DOHC type set up? And why not offer the 5.4 in the GT package as at least an option?

In closeing I just feel that Ford dosen't use the Triton 5.4 to there full advantage, sorry for all the babbleing just want to know what other people think?
..............Thanks FoMo............

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2000 F-150 XLT 4x4 S.C. w/ORP 5.4L
92 Explorer sport 4x4

 

FOMOCO#1,
The 5.4 engine is available in the F-250, F-350 SuperDuty's. Maybe someday it will be readily available with the Mustang. Bugman.

 

He was talking about the DOHC version that is optional in the Navi.

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2000 F-150 Super Cab XLT 4x4 ORP 5.4liter V8, Towing Package, Rear Slider, Remote keyless Entry,3.55 LS, Black Exterior, Medium Graphite interior, manual shift 4x4. Current mods Gooseneck hitch, mud flaps and Y pipe with duals.

 

It's called "strategy".

The day they lose #1 sales spot with the F-150 they'll have the DOHC or the V10 or the 6-Door or (you get my drift).

You never sell all your goodies at once. As long as they're making their goals with little incremental additions, that's all you're going to see -- incremental upgrades.

Look for a Supercharged V10 in Ford's bag-O-tricks just in case.

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Y2K™

XLT SC SB 5.4L 3.73LS

 

>bugman
I was talking about the DOHC in the gator, not the SOHC 2v in the F-series. Thats what I think should be made availble! The DOHC 3v or 4v per cyl. That engine can easyly produce 310-355hp so why not use it.

I mean the SOHC 2v in the F-series now puts out 260hp fine for most applications but I would not want it to move around a F-350 crew cab with a plow on it, a DOHC 3v per cyl. 5.4L engine thats puts out 325 hp is much more suited for such a truck and it still would get better gas mileage than a V10 and cost much less than a PSD!!


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2000 F-150 XLT 4x4 S.C. w/ORP 5.4L
92 Explorer sport 4x4

 

Just for kicks, if you want advance notice of what's being planned engine-wise, there's a company called PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP that publishes something called Autofacts -- which is the heads-up journal for engine stuff for the suppliers and auto manufacturers. I planned the purchase of my '97 F-150 partly because of long-forecast news of the 5.4L in that vehicle.

You can see some 5 years ahead what engine is planned with what body -- and when they plan on phasing-out a particular model.

There are many other sources for similar data.

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Y2K™

XLT SC SB 5.4L 3.73LS

 

Doesn't multi-valve tech. usually benefit the high RPM range? Perhaps that is why it isn't available in the SD's. No benefit in low end grunt.

Just a thought.

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97 F150 Lariat 4X4 Ext. Cab. 5.4, AT, Tow Pkg, bedliner, white/grey 2tone w/ grey leather, Fact. CD changer, Gibson Side Swept, K&N, Bosch Platinum +4's,Michelin LTX 265/70 16, S/D Triton V8 emblems, Both doors cracked, Piston slap quieted by Mobile One & Slick 50 Synthetic.

 

I read at the blueovalnews.com site that in 2002 I think,the 5.4 3 valve 305hp and 385lb tourque engine will be usd in the F150's along with a new transmission.

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99 F250 XLT LD 4X4 S/C,5.4,3.73 Limited slip,Bright red clearcoat ,4whl abs,remote start w/keyless entry and alarm,chrome rims,tinted,westin nerf bars,factory tonneau,superchip,K&NGen II fipk,pioneer in dash cd,pioneer amp,infinity kappas all around,Lund front runner bug sheild.Gibson split rear,stull SS grilles.

 

I can think of a couple of reasons why the 5.4 DOHC from the Navigator is not offered in the F150.

First, its expensive! I think the Navi is among the highest profit vehicles in Ford's line-up, and buyers are willing to pay a huge premium for it. I've heard Ford makes a $15,000 profit on each Navigator. Truck buyers have a lot of options and would be less willing to be gouged on an expensive engine option.

Also, the engine is in short supply.

The DOHC would compete w/ the Lightning for sales.

 

The reason they don't put the 5.4 in the Mustang has to do with assembly procedure. The Mustang assy. line installs the engine on the front sub-frame, then attaches the entire assembly into the unibody from underneath. Because of it's much greater deck height, the 5.4 won't pass between the framerails and/or wheelwells of the Mustang chassis. The very limited production 5.4 Cobra R is not built on a line, so the engine can be installed from above.

The new 5.0 slated for future Mustangs is an OHC engine, but I think I read somewhere that it's based on the Lincoln LS/Jaguar V-8, not the current 4.6.

 

Notice how little the HP goes up with every engine upgrade in the F150, but how much torque goes up each upgrade.
Ford puts big motors in trucks to tow/pull not to race.
Notice also the high torque/HP ratio in the F150.
345lbs torque/260HP most other cars have as much HP as they do torque.

[This message has been edited by 54regcab (edited 04-15-2000).]

 

>>So if the "NEW" 5L is an OHC design would that not make it a "Triton engine" ?
The main reason an engine becomes a Triton engine in Ford's lineup is the fact of displacement larger than 4L and a V-8 and it is of an OHC/DOHC design insted of a pushrod right? So the new 5L should be called a Triton engine than.

>Than will Ford take the 4.6L out of the F-series and put the NEW 5L in there insted as a base engine? That would only make sense I think. Leaveing the smaller displacement 4.6L for things like the Explores, Sport Tracs, and maybe even the Rangers. Than the could put the NEW 5L in the stang and the base engine for the F-series and the Expy and even the squad cars! (crown vics)
>To me this all makes sense so Ford probably wont do it than. What do you guys think?

...............Later FoMo................

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2000 F-150 XLT 4x4 S.C. w/ORP 5.4L
92 Explorer sport 4x4

 

FoMoCo#1- just wondering are you the same guy who is on the Pickuptruck.com sites under a similar name? If so im F-150 see you on those boards.

Anyways the new 5.0L is going to be a 4v DOHC engine that is going to be used for the cobras only I believe. 350+hp-meant to compete with camaro SS.

I agree with you on how Ford should apply the 5.4 to more models because of how great an engine it is.

But they cant put the gator engine in all models simply because most navigator owners want to think they have the best engine available, and besides the lightning it is. By putting this in f-150 other truck aplications the Navigator owner would feel that they are buying a Expedition with some minor interior improvements and a Lincoln badge on the grille. Not worth the extra 10k in their mind.

In 2003 the 5.4L is getting a make over. Making it 3v SOHC that will get 305-325hp(they havent locked in which number yet) and 390lbs of torque. Now since this engine will be in f-150 the gator engine will probably be upgraded to 350hp or something real nice like that . Also the new trannies should improve on Fords already excellent power loss numbers making those ponies and lbs go farther than the average Chevy(although that isnt saying much )

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1999 Silver F-150 XLT Supercab Triton 5.4L 4X2 3.55 LS class 4 whell ABS/4-W disc

Stuff I did not need but came with it
Class III Towing package
Power driver seat
Remote keyless entry
Free Floor mats :P
Hell of a ride

Mods I hope to do
1. Superchip
2. K&N air filter
3. Gibson Exhuast

Add-ons
1. Bed liner
2. Hard bed cover

All I'll ever need with this bad boy

Will be getting pictures soon
ccr-rules@worldnet.att.net

 

They should put the Cobra R 5.4L engine in the trucks because it has more horsepower and more torque than the Navigator DOHC 5.4.

The Navigator has 300 HP and 350 Torque.

The Cobra R has 385 HP and 385 Torque.

 

I saw Road & Track this weekend and the Cobra R will have the NEW 5.4 in it with 380 ***** with no opitions for $55,000. They built only 300 and they are all ready sold. That is with no AIR, NO RADIO, Plain jane, but like they said @ 185 mph who needs air. BUT $55k no way.

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Ronnie Wilson's F-150

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