Service engine soon light is on

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 13, 2013 | 06:46 PM
  #31  
glc's Avatar
glc
Senior Member
15 Year Member
Veteran: Navy
Veteran: Reserves
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 43,542
Likes: 819
From: Joplin MO
MAF is possible, DPFE doubtful, if it's bad you will get EGR codes.
 
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2013 | 11:34 AM
  #32  
projectSHO89's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Year Member
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 7,295
Likes: 125
From: St. Louis (Out in the woods)
You might have leaky intake manifold gaskets or something like that, vacuum leaks aren't just hoses. The only thing that can DEFINITELY be said is you have unmetered air entering the intake system somewhere after the MAF, or exhaust leaks in front of the O2's.
Add insufficient fuel supply to the list of possibilities.
 
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2013 | 02:41 PM
  #33  
Reloader's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 285
Likes: 0
From: Anaheim Hills, California
Originally Posted by projectSHO89
Add insufficient fuel supply to the list of possibilities.
At the risk of sounding stupid, how is that checked? And wouldn't that possibly throw another code?

Also, yesterday, engine cold, started it up, let the rpm's drop to idle, put it in reverse, forgot something in the house, put it back in park, and I heard a noise...kinda sounded like whoooooooooooo but not low pitched, sort of in between middle & high pitch. First time I heard that! Now, to me...that sounds like it could be a clue to the problem, but what do I know, I'm not a tech, I'm just trying to fix my truck with all of you guy's help. I know I shouldn't get discouraged about this, but I think most all of you know the feeling. I'm trying!

Please keep in mind I don't have any specialized tools, just sockets, wrenches, basic stuff.

This is a far cry from working on my 68 Mustang when I was in high school! Damn! And the car was only three years old at the time.

I appreciate and welcome the help! I'm not giving up yet!

Reloader
 
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2013 | 03:35 PM
  #34  
glc's Avatar
glc
Senior Member
15 Year Member
Veteran: Navy
Veteran: Reserves
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 43,542
Likes: 819
From: Joplin MO
It's checked with a fuel pressure gauge.

I'm too lazy to review both threads - have you changed the fuel filter?
 
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2013 | 03:36 PM
  #35  
projectSHO89's Avatar
Senior Member
20 Year Member
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 7,295
Likes: 125
From: St. Louis (Out in the woods)
There are several indicators...

One is from the conditions under which the fault code was posted, data that is in the Freeze Frame.

Another is to measure fuel pressure under driving conditions, especially if the DTCs are posted under load while driving.

You can also watch the fuel trims for clues as to when and why the "lean" codes are being posted,

TSB 4-17-4 has more info.
 
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2013 | 03:50 PM
  #36  
Reloader's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 285
Likes: 0
From: Anaheim Hills, California
Originally Posted by glc
It's checked with a fuel pressure gauge.

I'm too lazy to review both threads - have you changed the fuel filter?
The fuel filter has not been changed for a few years. I guess that's a bad thing. To be honest, I never thought about it.
 
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2013 | 03:53 PM
  #37  
Reloader's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 285
Likes: 0
From: Anaheim Hills, California
Originally Posted by projectSHO89
There are several indicators...

One is from the conditions under which the fault code was posted, data that is in the Freeze Frame.

Another is to measure fuel pressure under driving conditions, especially if the DTCs are posted under load while driving.

You can also watch the fuel trims for clues as to when and why the "lean" codes are being posted,

TSB 4-17-4 has more info.
I guess that means I should get a better scan tool to read the freeze frame and the fuel trims. And maybe a fuel pressure gauge.
 
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2013 | 04:36 PM
  #38  
glc's Avatar
glc
Senior Member
15 Year Member
Veteran: Navy
Veteran: Reserves
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 43,542
Likes: 819
From: Joplin MO
When you go to the parts store for a fuel filter, "borrow" a fuel pressure gauge, they should have one in their tool loaner kit. You will at least be able to test the pressure at a low and high idle. Minimum 28, normal 35 to 40, pulling the vac line off the FPR will cause it to go up about 5 psi. If you don't have one, you will also need a clip tool to change the filter.
 
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2014 | 07:56 PM
  #39  
Reloader's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 285
Likes: 0
From: Anaheim Hills, California
Got a scan tool to read freeze frame data

Hi guys, I know it's been a while, had a few familly issues. I've been trying different things then resetting the codes. I haven't been driving it that much and when I do, I've been keeping the mileage down and limiting the engine speed between 1500-1800 RPM's. The P0171 & P0174 codes are still there. I purchased a scan tool that does a lot more than just reads codes & resets them. so, here's what the snapshot shows:

Read Codes
P0171
$10 Generic
System Too Lean Bank 1
P0174
$10 Generic
System Too Lean Bank 2

View Freeze Frame
DTCFRZF P0174
FUELSYS1 CL
FUELSYS2 --
LOAD_PCT 25.5
ECT 345
SHRTFT1 4.7
LONGFT1 29.7
SHRTFT2 7.8
LONGFT2 29.7
RPM 624
MPH 0

All the sensors reported an OK condition reported by the scan tool. I do not know how to decipher what the freeze frame shows, Maybe someone here can.
Thanks for all your help so far.
Reloader
 
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2014 | 08:04 PM
  #40  
jethat's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 5,522
Likes: 6
From: Utah
you have a vacuum leak.Major culprit is the PCV elbow at the back of the throttle body.
 
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2014 | 08:11 PM
  #41  
jethat's Avatar
Senior Member
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 5,522
Likes: 6
From: Utah
Just read the whole thing and see you check the elbow. It's leaking somewhere..
 
Reply
Old Mar 2, 2014 | 08:17 PM
  #42  
Reloader's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 285
Likes: 0
From: Anaheim Hills, California
Originally Posted by jethat
Just read the whole thing and see you check the elbow. It's leaking somewhere..
Yes, I replaced that whole line, new elbow & PCV valve. I don't suppose it could be something simple like the rubber gasket in the valve cover that the PCV valve pushes into? Probably not. I'm hoping it's not the intake manifold gaskets.
 
Reply
Old Mar 3, 2014 | 03:36 PM
  #43  
Nangold's Avatar
Junior Member
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Reloader
Yes, I replaced that whole line, new elbow & PCV valve. I don't suppose it could be something simple like the rubber gasket in the valve cover that the PCV valve pushes into? Probably not. I'm hoping it's not the intake manifold gaskets.
Hello. If u have cleaned the Maf sensor (using maf cleaner), changed fuel filter, checked plugs n wires, elbow at pcv, checked fuel regulator then it may be intske manifold gasket. Mine only acted up in temps below freezing. It threw code p01151 n my mech changed us n coil packs. Ran better except in freezing temps. Diagnosed bad intake gaskets which are in process if being replaced this week
 
Reply
Old Mar 3, 2014 | 03:37 PM
  #44  
Nangold's Avatar
Junior Member
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Nangold
Hello. If u have cleaned the Maf sensor (using maf cleaner), changed fuel filter, checked plugs n wires, elbow at pcv, checked fuel regulator then it may be intske manifold gasket. Mine only acted up in temps below freezing. It threw code p01151 n my mech changed us n coil packs. Ran better except in freezing temps. Diagnosed bad intake gaskets which are in process if being replaced this week
Sorry changed plugs. I hate autocorrect!!!
 
Reply
Old Mar 3, 2014 | 08:21 PM
  #45  
Reloader's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 285
Likes: 0
From: Anaheim Hills, California
Originally Posted by Nangold
Hello. If u have cleaned the Maf sensor (using maf cleaner), changed fuel filter, checked plugs n wires, elbow at pcv, checked fuel regulator then it may be intske manifold gasket. Mine only acted up in temps below freezing. It threw code p01151 n my mech changed us n coil packs. Ran better except in freezing temps. Diagnosed bad intake gaskets which are in process if being replaced this week
PM being sent.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:15 AM.