p0171 and p0174.....
p0171 and p0174.....
ok guys ive been getting this code over and over no matter what I do...... heres what ive done in order....
1. pulled the o2 sensors off and attempted to clean them.
2. pulled the egr valve off and cleaned it and then took the intake plenum and cleaned where the egr holes were clogged.
3. replaced the PCV valve and tried to check for vacuum leaks.
4. cleaned the mass air flow electrical plugs( the mass air flow is still considerably new)
5. replaced all 4 o2 sensors
I went for a drive today and i still got the code!!!!!
is there ne thing else that you guys can think of that might possibly be the reason????
thanks!
1. pulled the o2 sensors off and attempted to clean them.
2. pulled the egr valve off and cleaned it and then took the intake plenum and cleaned where the egr holes were clogged.
3. replaced the PCV valve and tried to check for vacuum leaks.
4. cleaned the mass air flow electrical plugs( the mass air flow is still considerably new)
5. replaced all 4 o2 sensors
I went for a drive today and i still got the code!!!!!
is there ne thing else that you guys can think of that might possibly be the reason???? thanks!
For future reference - lean codes both banks are NEVER caused by defective O2 sensors, and it's a waste of money replacing them - *especially* the rear sensors, the ONLY thing they do is report on catalyst efficiency. The codes are almost always caused by a rotten or cracked PCV elbow behind the intake manifold.
For future reference - lean codes both banks are NEVER caused by defective O2 sensors, and it's a waste of money replacing them - *especially* the rear sensors, the ONLY thing they do is report on catalyst efficiency. The codes are almost always caused by a rotten or cracked PCV elbow behind the intake manifold.
Have you been to the dealer yet? I believe they have the entire assembly from PCV to manifold for about 35 bucks.
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These develop pin holes, hard to see. IF your using a Fram PCV valve, these restrict flow so much, pin holes may enlarge when she's running,- it's killing your engine, she can't breath, but she's trying her best. What Fram replacement parts do best - Destroy..Just so you know.
Last edited by jbrew; Nov 30, 2009 at 11:34 PM.
ok i replaced the fuel filter and the code tripped the next day...... took the other advice and went today and got a brand new IAC valve..... went for a ride and it hasnt tripped a code yet..... it usually doesnt until i go to make that long drive over to the school.... ill let yall know tommorow if indeed the IAC valve was indeed the problem..... If it throws the code again then it could be only one other thing... the PCV valve boot at the intake plenum... ne ways ill let yall know
well..... took her to work and guess what........... THREW THE ****** CODE! ugh......... well i guess ill call the ford dealer tommorow and get that boot on order..... if it throws a code after that im out of options and ill have to take it to a professional......
When both banks test positive for lean, -the MAF is excluded, if intake air tubes are intact and IAT grommet is good, you head right to the PCV system, then rule out fuel. The problem is usually found at the PCV assembly.
Lean issues are common and fairly quick/simple to figure out.
Last edited by jbrew; Dec 2, 2009 at 10:04 PM.
How many miles on the truck? It's most likely a vacuum leak but it could be something else. Missfires can cause lean codes too. So could an exhaust leak before the O2 sensor. But I doubt that's whats happening.
When reading codes you have to pay attention to the specific language used with the 0171 and 0174 codes.
That's pretty vague and not a good translation of the code.
I will translate this computer language into proper english.
This should give you some clues....
1- the computer is able to compensate and the engine IS running at stoich. So, that eliminates any major problem with fuel delivery or sensor equipment. Since you don't have any "lack of O2 switching" codes, then you know it's holding stoich.
2- In a nutshell, the ammount of air coming into the engine isn't jiving with the ammount of fuel it is requiring.
So... my advice is to
1- find the vacuum leak
2- clean the MAF sensor
Unplug the battery for 5 minutes then reconnect it. Test it out for a day or two. Report back and let us know how it went.
When reading codes you have to pay attention to the specific language used with the 0171 and 0174 codes.
Originally Posted by crappy code reader
Bank 1 and 2 lean.
I will translate this computer language into proper english.
Originally Posted by your trucks computer
I am having to add a suspiciously large quantity of fuel, to keep the engine running at the correct Air/Fuel ratio."
1- the computer is able to compensate and the engine IS running at stoich. So, that eliminates any major problem with fuel delivery or sensor equipment. Since you don't have any "lack of O2 switching" codes, then you know it's holding stoich.
2- In a nutshell, the ammount of air coming into the engine isn't jiving with the ammount of fuel it is requiring.
So... my advice is to
1- find the vacuum leak
2- clean the MAF sensor
Unplug the battery for 5 minutes then reconnect it. Test it out for a day or two. Report back and let us know how it went.






chester said stoich.