not to pick a fight navi-
i change my vehicles oil once a year 0w30 and amsoil ea filter
04 ford van-70k miles
02 dodge neon-90 k miles
99 super duty 170k miles
01 ram 360- sold at 100 k miles-owner still using amsoil 030-nearing 200k miles
i use no oil, i get analysys done-absolutley no problems-no smoking, oil drips ,nock etc-i wish i was like opec making money off 3k mile oil changes-my van is nearly 9k miles loaded-i run the living **** out of it-the analysys come back phenominal -the neon just got astate insp and emmision inspection at the dealer-at 5000 miles when i switched it over to amsoil amsoil atf-[just a flush] so it has 90k miles on original trans filter and 85 k on the fluid-techs were amazed at the bright redness of the fluid-i have been using amsoil in everything since 00-in my trannies on my mx race bikes- i go the entire season - 4 races a weekend and practices on the same clutch!amsoil 1040 synthetic bike oil- before i switched over to 4 strokes in 04, my 2 strokes ran a whole season wo ever being rebuilt-i used amsoil dominator 2 stroke oil-i raced 125A,250A, vetA, plus 25 A from spring till winter- nevr any piston or cylinder issues-amsoil has earned my trust-just my .02$

 

how bout i bring my superduty 99 in at 250k miles and you tear it apart and assess the wear inside?

 

to sell the extra services to boost their avg ticket price-fyi i myself worked 10+ yrs for pennzoil lubricants

 

Wow. Now that's some kind of stupid!

>1200 RWturboHP. Amsoil, nothing but. Not so much as a crank polish in two FULL seasons. Take your dino oil and stick it up your *** because you, sir, are a f**king moron.

 

 

Well aren't you just the intelligent alabama style moron of em all? I never knocked synthetics stupid, I stated the simple fact of it all.......Amsoil is snake oil. No major manufacturer will so much as touch it, there are no Amsoil lube shops (which if it was so great they'd be all over trying to get everyone to convert to it since its twice as much) and their exclusionary warranty covers them, not you, in the case of any issue. Congradulations, you bought into the Mantra full bore. I can't wait till you loose a motor and cry about it

Simply put, its a convience to the customer. They get a half price wash with the oil change. I also like having the shop becuase thats where I work on all my stuff, plus I buy and sell used cars and I use the shop to work on those for preparation to sell. How many owners are willing to tell you the exact cost of a service to prove a point? None of them. I openly tell you whatever needs be told to provide the factual proof. Add up the amsoil products you have to buy (including all that bypass filter crap) plus the wasted cost of analysis and average it out over a year. Then add up and average the equivalent required typical dino change, and you can change your oil 4 times yearly for less.
I don't do internals. To the shortblock is as far as I go. I don't have the time nor patience to screw with cranks and rod bearings. Replace it all the way if its gotten that bad is the way I see it.


Realistically, I don't care what anybody does or uses. I simply provide the honest side of the story for all to read and determine how it is they would like to proceed. If such a miracle product really existed it would have been put into mass use years ago, seeing as the product is 35 years in the making and still isn't something you can pick up at your local parts store. But I guess the parts stores are all in on this mystical way to make us all buy more oil too. So, I guess that makes the whole automotive industry a farce since they ALL want to screw you into using their suggested oil and changing it at their suggested intervals. Nothing, and I mean nothing can stand in the way of great invention. Word of mouth alone could sell such a product to anyone and everyone if it was true. But its not, and thats why 35 years later, amsoil has no market share. How about some oceanfront property in arizona?

And OPEC doesn't make a dime off the US. All of our oil is either from the US or from Venezula.

 

no what I meant was due to long interval between oil changes with gas contaminating the oil can cause oil leaks..today gaskets have come along way in preventing leaks while using synthetic oils

 

WRONG You keep showing everybody how stupid and close minded you are. I am sorry you had a bad experience with your local Amsoil rep but it is brain dead to bash a company and its products because of your single bad experience.
Amsoil's PAO Group IV basestock comes from Mobil and Chevron. Is Mobil 1 snake oil as well?
There are many Lube shops using the XL 7500 product line and others. Again not into facts are you?
Not gonna happen. Amsoil has shown many many motors with several hundered thousand miles and more.
You do not have to buy anything more than oil and filter.
I presented all these facts to you and more over the past few years but you are a close minded child.
If you want to go for the maximum intervals (35K on the 0w-30) then bypass filtration and OA is recommended but if you just want to use reasonable intervals you do not need to do any of that.
You obviously do care because you have to jump in to every Amsoil post with your lies and misconceptions. I am surprised you didn't bring up Toyota's sludge problem again. You seem to think that was Amsoils fault as well.
If it was snake oil it would not still be around.
Sorry your local parts store is not carrying it. Many do, even several NAPA stores up here in New England. And No, I do not sell it to them.
Keep believing your BS. Any other intelligent person can find the truth.

 

I just added 5 quarts to my uncle's V10. Yes it was 5 quarts low!!! Does he EVER change the oil? NO. How many miles? 150,000 ish, and still running just as good as it did new. Is it good for the engine? Probably not. So 100k is nothing.

Read my signature. Follow it and you will be fine. If you want to buy expensive oil, cheap oil, whatever! How many people do you know that keep a truck until the engine blows anyway?

 

[QUOTE=Norm]If it was snake oil it would not still be around.
[QUOTE] No. It's around for the same reason as the turbonator. People want the best for their truck, and when somebody says, "my brand is better, and it cost more"

 

Your point? I did not say that you would not get 100K on anything else did I?

My point was that you would not get 100K on the crap Brett (98Navi) claims Amsoil is.
I fully agree that you can get well over 100K on any quality motor oil changed on a regular basis. I have never said otherwise.
It is 98Navi that is claiming we are damaging our engines by using Amsoil.

 

OK NORM, result to calling me childish and other names because repeatedly I bothered to find "probable cause" that amsoil couldn't back up its claims. I provided YOU with links to severe transmission damages that lead to a lawsuit amsoil lost. I showed you that they won't warranty their products in the toyota 4 cylinder motors (that never have an issue with 3000 mile dino oil changes) and a platter of evidence even a retard figure out. You can play russian roulette for years and never loose, but when you do, you loose badly. Regretably, you refuse to look to the real hard evidence, the claims and failures, and instead you view only the positives. I weigh all reasonable occurances, good and bad, and the result is the opinion I form. I share it, I show when people are lying about "facts" with no basis, and the choice is the readers. 99.9% of the time, it is highly unlikely that it will ever be seen by me from a user here. I only leave .01% out there because there are quite a few users from GA on here, and the site owner lives only a few miles away.

OK, I am stupid and close minded for responding to a moron. Sorry, guess that means I shouldn't respond to you anymore then doesn't it?
I am not sure I get you here, but basically it appears that you agree no manufacturer would ever use amsoil, no reputable lube shop will ever carry amsoil, and then for some reason you say motors with hundreds of thousands of miles. Been Drinking?

I have never posted a lie or misconception. I posted factual information showing that the failure of amsoil to aquire API certification on a good half of their products and running extended intervals well beyond that of the manufacturers recommendations would void the new car warranty that we pay so much for. It says it right in Amsoils own exclusionary warranty, that when used in new cars you must follow the manufacturers recommended intervals.

 

One last time I will review this with you.

5. In the event of a claim against AMSOIL INC., the procedure below must be completely followed.
a. Where the original warranty from the equipment manufacturer is still in effect, the customer shall file a warranty claim with the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) in accordance with the OEM warranty procedure
Who will deny the claim based on oil change interval extremes.
Customer shall retain failed parts for inspection by AMSOIL INC. unless given b.to the OEM.
Inspection by OEM will say caused by extended intervals, amsoil will use some of their exclusionary clauses for the failure
c. Customer shall also, within 30 days of failure, notify AMSOIL INC. and provide the following:
(a.) An eight (8) ounce representative oil sample taken from the failed equipment and put into a clean container.
So that they can find a reason to blame the OEM or end user
(b.) Documentation including make, model, and year of equipment, total accumulated miles and/or hours, and duty cycle or service environment.
So that they can find a reason to blame the OEM, or use the exlusionary warranty to show that the duty cycle was to severe and refuse the warranty
(c.) Equipment or vehicle maintenance history documentation including miles or hours at the time of AMSOIL lubricant installation, general equipment repairs, and oil analysis results if available.
So that they can find a reason to blame the end user due to improper use, installation, run time, or failure to properly read and use an OA
(d.) Proof of purchase for AMSOIL lubricant.
I sure keep all my reciepts when I buy oil, don't we all. File 13 the second I open the bag, no proof of purchase, no warranty
(e.) Batch number from oil container or Certificate of Analysis.
I sure keep old EMPTY bottles of oil around. They make good christmas tree ornaments. Another reason for no warranty
d. Mail the above sample and information to:

AMSOIL INC., Attn: Technical Services
AMSOIL Bldg.
Superior, WI 54880

e. In cases where the OEM warranty is still in effect and that warranty coverage is denied based on the use of an AMSOIL lubricant, the customer shall immediately notify AMSOIL INC. and provide a written copy of the OEM warranty denial.
Where amsoil will see that you did extended intervals, which voided the OEM warranty, and then they exclued you
f. AMSOIL INC. may, at its option, notify its insurance carrier of the claim.
Amsoil may at its option. In other words, you're screwed at this point
g. AMSOIL INC. or its insurance carrier may conduct an investigation that includes, but is not limited to, an inspection of the failed parts, a review of the operating conditions, and a thorough review of the information requested above. The customer agrees to cooperate with such investigation.
And by the time the inspection of parts, vehicle, and analysis is done, you've been walking for 6 months. What a great warranty!!!
h. If AMSOIL INC. or its insurance carrier pays a claim, an attempt may be made to recover amounts paid from the OEM. If this occurs, the customer may be asked to provide further information pertaining to the failure and to cooperate with AMSOIL INC. or its insurer in the recovery process.
So if Amsoil sues your OEM for voiding your warranty because you failed to use the correct oil and drain interval, you get sopenead into a deposition and/or trial. Yay, what a great raw deal......walk until the investigation is over and then have to give a dispostion and maybe sit in the hotseat while a major auto manufacturer hammers the hell out of you on the stand.
THE WARRANTY MAY NOT BE EXTENDED TO COVER:
1. AMSOIL lubricants used in mechanically deficient equipment as a result of abnormal operation; negligence; abuse; damage from casualty, shipment or accident; or equipment modification done without written authorization from the OEM.
Who determines what is mechanically deficient? Who determines if you were negligent, abusive, or operated in an abnormal way? Amsoil does, and at its own discretion will void your warranty. No modification without authorization from the OEM. Well, do you have a letter that said you could add that Cold Air intake? No, then your warranty just got voided.
2. AMSOIL lubricants that have been used for the purposes of racing or in applications where the OEM required lubricant standards do not match those stated by AMSOIL INC. without the written approval from AMSOIL INC.
Ah, that blasted API rule. If you use an oil without the required API stamp, void that warranty. Run your truck once in its life down the 1/4 mile for fun, oops thats been raced and warranty voided

 

3. AMSOIL lubricants that have been contaminated after leaving the AMSOIL INC. premises due to improper handling, storage or through equipment deficiencies in which an AMSOIL lubricant has been installed.
One of my favorites. The end user has no control over this. Improper handling or storage before you ever bought it and its a voided warranty. Who deems whether or not this should be considered? Amsoil does, there goes the warranty
4. AMSOIL lubricants which have been packaged, regardless of container, by anyone other than AMSOIL INC. or an AMSOIL authorized packager.
Buy it from a lube shop that didn't pour it out of the bottle? No warranty for you
5. Any allegedly defective AMSOIL lubricant for which a reasonable sample has not been preserved.
Oil pan gets split when the crank supports give out and all the oil goes buh bye, your yet again screwed and no warranty
6. Failure of equipment when AMSOIL lubricants are not used in strict accordance with either the written recommendations of AMSOIL INC. or the OEM for warranty coverage.
Don't forget, no aftermarket modifications, no racing, no severe duty beyond the specified limits, the exclusions are endless
7. AMSOIL lubricants that have been used in conjunction with any other product or additive that has not been authorized for use by AMSOIL INC.
I think this is pretty much self explanatory
8. Failure of equipment due to a pre-existing condition that is unrelated to the use of AMSOIL.
Ahh, the old pre-existing condition clause. Who determines this? Why, of course Amsoil does. Whatdaya think they are going to say? You're F#$ked.
9. Repair or replacement of equipment because of normal wear.
Well, with all the above being said, whats normal wear? Apparently there shouldn't be any cause amsoil is miraculous and doesn't allow bad things to happen. Thats what snake oils do, miracles!
AMSOIL RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REJECT A WARRANTY CLAIM FOR ANY OR ALL OF THE FOLLOWING REASONS:
1. Failure to follow all OEM recommendations for warranty coverage, including lubricants, maintenance, and drain intervals, prior to the first installation of AMSOIL lubricants.
Went over 5000 mile interval by 345 miles that first time, warranty is void
2. AMSOIL INC. was not notified within 30 days from the date of failure.
The one normal thing in this warranty
3. Claim information is insufficient.
You fill out a form that they send you.
4. Parts inspected do not substantiate a claim or indicate failure.
It broke, but we don't think that caused it. VOID
5. Parts requested were not sent or are unavailable for inspection.
Parts disentigrated with the internal destruction of engine. Sorry, VOID
6. Oil sample was not provided.
Oil went out the pan with the thrown rod, sorry VOID
7. Failure of the customer to follow the written procedure herein.
Two acts of congress and a presidential signature and you've got it
8. Customer refused to cooperate with the investigation.
You wouldn't fly to Wisconsin to go to court against the OEM, VOID
9. Failure was the result of an OEM defect.
[I}OEM won't warranty those intervals or that NON API certified oil[/I]
This warranty shall be governed, interpreted and construed by, and in accordance with, the laws of the State of Wisconsin.
I bet those laws are more beneficial to the company than the user. Why do you think credit card companies are always based somewhere wierd? Cause those states provide the least consumer protection laws and the CC card company can screw you. Same goes for this.



I assume that you use blackstone labs, as do most. I also assume you get a report with this info: (there are three analysis's there, divided by the slash)
Iron - 6 ppm / 4 ppm / 10 ppm
Chromium - 0 ppm / 0 ppm / 1 ppm
Lead - 2 ppm / 5 ppm / 11 ppm
Copper - 3 ppm / 9 ppm / 13 ppm
Tin - 1 ppm / 0 ppm / 0 ppm
Aluminum - 2 ppm / 2 ppm / 4 ppm
Nickel - 1 ppm / 0 ppm / 0 ppm
Silver - 0 ppm / 0 ppm / 0 ppm
Silicon - 7 ppm / 6 ppm / 28 ppm
Boron - 89 / 86 ppm / 166 ppm
Sodium - 7 ppm /18 ppm / 28 ppm
Magnesium - 381 ppm / 398 ppm / 215 ppm
Calcium - 2005 ppm / 2579 ppm / 2983 ppm
Barium - 0 ppm / 0 ppm / 0 ppm
Phosphorus - 583 ppm / 957 ppm / 1062 ppm
Zinc - 698 ppm / 1030 ppm / 1171 ppm
Moly - 44 ppm / 40 ppm / 82 ppm
Titanium - 0 ppm / 0 ppm / 0 ppm
Vanadium - n/a / 0 ppm / 0 ppm
Manganese - 0 ppm / N/A / N/A
Potassium - 2 ppm / 0 ppm / 0 ppm

Fuel - <.05% / <1 %vol / <1 %vol
Viscosity - @ 40degC N/A / N/A / N/A
Viscosity - @ 210 F SUS 63.8 @ 100degC 10.83 cSt / @ 100 degC 10.78

Water - 0 % / 0 % / 0 %
Soot/Solids % by wt - 0.2 insolubles / N/A / N/A
Glycol - 0.0 / Neg / Neg

TBN 4.6 / 6.73 / 8.65
Oxidation N/A / 42.0 / 46.0
Nitration N/A / 21.0 / 24.0
Flash Point 430 / N/A / N/A

The End

 

So what did we learn? Amsoil could use any reason whatsoever to void your warranty for any reason they come up with. No normal person would be able to read those stats. A chemist maybe. The moral of the story is the usual one.....If it sounds to good to be true, it always is.