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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 10:39 PM
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sorry got bored with all the bickering
 
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Old Oct 24, 2005 | 10:40 PM
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sorry bored again
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 10:19 AM
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I don't care if its free. Oil analysis is a waste of time for 99% of people. Before wandering into these threads, I had never even heard of anyone wasteing the time or money to have their oil analyzed and like I said, since I was 15 I have been doing this. The only ones who waste the time on oil analysis are the hard@$$es who refuse to listen to reason and think they can buck the system and go forever before changing the oil.

How many times do you hear about an American Made SUV going over 400000 miles? Less than a handful. Americans have given american cars a bad wrap for being unable to last extremely long times and mileages. Why? Because they don't maintain the car, truck, or SUV properly and it fails. A bearing wears out, a rod breaks, whatever may be the case but it usually entails a new motor or rebuild. And it all relates to poor maintenence. Maybe not by the one who owned it at the time of failure, as prior owners who were idiots went extreme mileages without changing oil, tranny, and coolant at proper mileages. Why do you think all these japanese, korean, and other foreign makes have become so popular? If we all just changed the damn oil at 3000-4000 miles everytime, flushed the tranny and coolant at proper times and miles, american cars would run at least twice as long as they currently do and we could stop importing so much jap crap. But, the hard @$$ pecker heads who refuse to look at the facts and be reasonable cause more and more foreign cars and trucks to be bought everyday. Why do you think the Titan, Highline, and Tundra came out? ANd how long do you realistically think it will take for them to be outselling Ford and GM? The damage is probably already done, and it won't be long that American Car companies are going to be playing for second place
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 12:23 PM
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And imagine how much oil we would save if we replaced it when it was actually bad versus some arbitrary number created by oil companies to sell more oil? Maybe we wouldn't have to drill in ANWR.
Like I said fleet mangement companies and trucking firms save tens of thousands of dollars annually by replacing oil when analysis says it is bad. Some of these vehicles on the road today have hundreds of thousands of miles on them. Some big rigs reach the million mile mark. They do not change every 3000 miles. I know big rig diesels have nothing to do with our trucks but it proves the value of oil analysis. I won't even get into the oil analysis lab that we had at McClellan Air Force base that we tested everything from pump and compressor oil to jet engine oil.

To each his own, do what you feel comfortable with. It is after all your truck that you make the payments for.

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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 03:59 PM
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I've already proven to myself and tons of friends and co-workers that extended drain intervals work. Only one of them has ever done oil analysis which only costs roughly $30.00. They just go by the recommended oil manufacturers change interval. They are saving tons of money and saving themselves from having to go to the local shop for repairs and oil changes as often. AH HA, thats it! You own a shop. Extended drain intervals are taking money out of your pocket and keeping it in mine. Thats exactly the way I like it.
Do you call the customers at your shop names when they come in and need repairs because they went 15,000 miles on their dino oil? I bet not. You take their money just the same which is fine. Why do you get so upset on here and dog the extended drain intervals if they aren't hurting you somehow? This thread started with a guy asking a question. We each give our own experiences and let him make up his mind. Now that your name calling has turned this into a bottomless thread I am done with it.
 

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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 07:06 PM
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oil analysis really doesn't make sense here. spend 30 bucks to find out you can go 400 more miles then spend another 25 to change it then? when you could have just spent the 25 to start with and know you're good for another 3000 miles
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 10:42 PM
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You own a shop. Extended drain intervals are taking money out of your pocket and keeping it in mine. Thats exactly the way I like it.
No, that has nothing to do with it. I have always used the 3000 mile mark, and I always recommended the 3000 mile mark, and I always will, whether I run an oil change facility or not

Why do you get so upset on here and dog the extended drain intervals if they aren't hurting you somehow? This thread started with a guy asking a question.
Why? Its simple.
1) One day, I'll be the poor sap who buys a car you owned and get screwed
2) One day, I'll have to work on the car you sold some other poor sap and charge them to replace a bunch of stuff that wouldn't have needed to be replaced had the first owner just done maintenence as they should have
3) I don't like doing head gaskets, intake gaskets, oil pans and whatnot. It takes to much time that I could make more money on just doing basics

The guy asked a question, and I think that some people on here are giving him bad advice about how to treat his truck. Here's a fact for you. For 99% of people, their car is their second biggest investment. Would you have the guy that built your house do the minimum to get by with the local and state guidelines for homes? I hope not, cause that'll probably lead to problems down the road. If I can save this guy a few bucks down the road by making sure he is educated to make an informed decision about how he treats his second largest investment, then I have done all I can for him. But if I see someone else telling him to try and save $50 a year and skimp by, then I know there is a greater chance of him looseing alot more than $50 in the longrun.

Now that your name calling has turned this into a bottomless thread I am done with it.
I am not calling anyone in particular names, I am calling people who try and skimp by on minimums and over extended products that aren't made to me overtended foolish for taking chances with such expensive items.

Maybe we wouldn't have to drill in ANWR.
I am all for drilling the ANWR. The enviornmentalist yuppies that keep it from happening should be shot

Some of these vehicles on the road today have hundreds of thousands of miles on them.
Like I said, I have a customer with a 5.7 V8 chevy with over 400000 miles on it, and he has changed his oil every 3000 miles for all 5 years I have been doing it. I wonder why he made it that far?

And, dirtydog is right on. You'd **** away the money to analyze it to find out if its about time change your oil? Just do it like it should be done.
 
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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 10:57 PM
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Mobil 1 at COSTCO....cantbeat the price
 

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Old Oct 25, 2005 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrass
I can at least say with 100% certinty; use what the Maker of your truck says in your owner book and you won't go wrong.
All this junior analysis on oils is pure bull sh*t!
Couldn't have put it better myself.
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 12:27 AM
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Since everyone keeps saying, use your books service recommendations, I went out to the nav and got the book. Word for word as follows:

Change you engine oil and filter according to the following mileage and time requirements, whichever comes first:

Normal schedule- 5000 miles or six months
Severe Duty schedule- 3000 miles or three months. Severe duty operation would include extensive idling, trailer towing, driving in dusty conditions, police, taxi, or delivery services.

Use SAE 5w30 Motor oil. Do not add any supplemental engine oil additive, oil treatments, or engine treatments. They are uneccassary and under certain conditions could cause damage that would not be covered under your warranty.
Now, since most on here are adding multiple performance modifications to their vehicle, its obviuosly working harder than it does stock. Higher flow intake and exhaust systems, blowers and turbos, increased fuel flow or increased timing from a chip or programmer will elevate you from normal to severe as well. Anytime you advance timing or change the A/F ratio, which a programmer does, you'll cause the engine to work differently than it was orginally designed.
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by valkyrie63
Here we go with another bunch of retard posts. I'll keep it short and sweet.

If you think oil analysis is B.S. you are a moron. Plain and simple.

In the last two years we've pulled 5 motors out of cars that were sludged up.
Two had NEVER had there oil changed, the other fell in the rarely category.One of the never changed was a Lexus. Just goes to show money doesn't mean brains.

I don't care if you run dino or full synthetic, learn when to change your oil!!

I've seen the valve cover off many engines with many different kinds of oil.
The gummed up ones all have crappy maintenance.

I've ran Mobil 1 in all my cars, trucks,motorcycles, and lawn equipment since 1985. Here in order is why I run it.

1: Better flow in the cold. I live in South Dakota, it can get to -30 here in the winter.Ever seen how oil flows at that temp? It's called "engine insurance" and I consider it cheap.

2: better high heat protection. I had the thermostat in my SHO stick on a 100 degree day. ( yeah, it can get warm here) I was 15 miles from no where so I had to limp it in to my destination and them back home 50 miles. The oil looked fine but it smelled burnt. If I had dino in it it would have been syrup.
That was 30,000 miles ago.

3: extended drain interval. Notice it's number 3 and not number 1? I only list it because it kills the " it's too expensive" nonsense excuse.

Just read your owners manual, take into consideration your climate and driving habits and go from there.

It drives me nuts to here people bitch about a $22-35.00 oil change. Price an engine swap!

Hey JerseyGeorge, here's two fingers back at you. Keep the crappy advise and comments to yourself.


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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 12:48 AM
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Whats a matter jersey, still got your foot in your mouth from the previous post where I smacked you?
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by dirtydOg
oil analysis really doesn't make sense here. spend 30 bucks to find out you can go 400 more miles then spend another 25 to change it then? when you could have just spent the 25 to start with and know you're good for another 3000 miles
Oil analysis does not cost $30....it's $20... It is done frequently in the begining to trend the engine, then roughly twice a year. Over the road independents and companies would be broke with 3K changes....yes I realize the capacities are greater and the have multiple filters but similar results are had with by-pass units and analysis. 3k changes were a creation by quick lube joints and quickly adopted by the consumer who concludes more is better. Europe has been using 10K oil changes for years and has a goal to extend that out beyond 20k by the end of the decade....they care about concerving resourses we just bitch about it. My Mercedes that had 3-years of service for free....they wouldn't touch the oil within 10K....my Honda, 7500. All the sources mentioned including the poster have a vested interest in convincing the consumer they must change the oil every 3K. We all don't have a problem spending $2 a quart for motor oil but have a ***** fit when gas reached $3 a friggin GALLON

My 2002 F250 PSD which I drove for 65K towing a 6500 pound boat frequently had a by-pass filter and synthetic oil and was changed three times during that time. The truck is now owned by a friend who has run the truck up to 85K and has a landscaping business and is getting ready to change the oil for the fourth time. It's a miracle....the sky is green in my world
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 01:02 AM
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Whats a matter jersey, still got your foot in your mouth from the previous post where I smacked you?

I work in a prison and I'm from NJ....You gota smack really hard
 
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 98Navi

Like I said, I have a customer with a 5.7 V8 chevy with over 400000 miles on it, and he has changed his oil every 3000 miles for all 5 years I have been doing it. I wonder why he made it that far?
And imagine how much money/oil he would have saved over that period if he changed it when it was actually bad rather than the worst case scenario every time. You clearly are not going to change your mind and that is fine but extended intervals have been proven for years as has oil analysis. I am done trying to open your mind. Clearly that is not possible.

Enjoy your truck.
 
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