another spark plug replacement question
another spark plug replacement question
I read in the spark plug threads (no pun intended!) here about the long-reach socket I should use, and to NOT using anti-sieze on the threads, but I would like to know:
1. Is it OK to use a pneumatic torque wrench to loosen the plugs?
2. HOW do you get a torque wrench on the "back" plugs to torque the new plugs, and if it's possible, is it ONLY possible with a short-handled wrench? Where do you find a short-handled torque wrench? I've only seen the long-handled ones.
3. Is it POSSIBLE (or reliable) to torque with a pneumatic wrench? I just got a spankin' new compressor, and I'm itchin to use it.
Basically, I want to line up the tools needed so I can make this a one-day job, with no emergency trips to the NAPA store (which will no doubt be closed at the hour I need them to be open).
Thanks, and any additional info would be appreciated.
Oh, '97 F150, 4.6L, 247,000 miles, plugs HAVE been changed before by dealer.
1. Is it OK to use a pneumatic torque wrench to loosen the plugs?
2. HOW do you get a torque wrench on the "back" plugs to torque the new plugs, and if it's possible, is it ONLY possible with a short-handled wrench? Where do you find a short-handled torque wrench? I've only seen the long-handled ones.
3. Is it POSSIBLE (or reliable) to torque with a pneumatic wrench? I just got a spankin' new compressor, and I'm itchin to use it.
Basically, I want to line up the tools needed so I can make this a one-day job, with no emergency trips to the NAPA store (which will no doubt be closed at the hour I need them to be open).
Thanks, and any additional info would be appreciated.
Oh, '97 F150, 4.6L, 247,000 miles, plugs HAVE been changed before by dealer.
Hello,
I used the information on this 'spark plug blowout' thread for changing my plugs.
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...hreadid=103042
Definitely worth the read.. there are some preventive and diagnostic tips too regarding the spark plug blowout issues.
If I would have known to the 'ticking noise' advice I would have saved myself alot of money by just tightening my plugs.
I used the information on this 'spark plug blowout' thread for changing my plugs.
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...hreadid=103042
Definitely worth the read.. there are some preventive and diagnostic tips too regarding the spark plug blowout issues.
If I would have known to the 'ticking noise' advice I would have saved myself alot of money by just tightening my plugs.
Last edited by anxvariety; Jul 23, 2004 at 02:49 PM.
Re: another spark plug replacement question
Originally posted by b-rider
I read in the spark plug threads (no pun intended!) here about the long-reach socket I should use, and to NOT using anti-sieze on the threads, but I would like to know:
1. Is it OK to use a pneumatic torque wrench to loosen the plugs?
I wouldn't. Not only is there not much room, but if you try to loosen it too quickly, you could damage the few threads that are there.
2. HOW do you get a torque wrench on the "back" plugs to torque the new plugs, and if it's possible, is it ONLY possible with a short-handled wrench? Where do you find a short-handled torque wrench? I've only seen the long-handled ones.
Don't use a torque wrench. Its not needed. Just tighten it tight enough, knowing you are going into aluminum. It doesn't need to be super tight, but should be a bit more than "hand tight"
3. Is it POSSIBLE (or reliable) to torque with a pneumatic wrench? I just got a spankin' new compressor, and I'm itchin to use it.
Spark plugs are not the place for air tools. Its not possible or reliable to do so. What tightening spark plugs with an air ratchet will do is ensure headwork in the near future. In short, use hand tools only!!
Basically, I want to line up the tools needed so I can make this a one-day job, with no emergency trips to the NAPA store (which will no doubt be closed at the hour I need them to be open).
Get a 3/8 inch drive ratchet, a few long extensions, a swivel, and spark plug socket. I used anti sieze on my plugs but some dont like to use it. Also buy some dielectric grease for the boots. Also make sure you have a good gap tool and gap to .054 or thereabouts.
Thanks, and any additional info would be appreciated.
Oh, '97 F150, 4.6L, 247,000 miles, plugs HAVE been changed before by dealer.
I read in the spark plug threads (no pun intended!) here about the long-reach socket I should use, and to NOT using anti-sieze on the threads, but I would like to know:
1. Is it OK to use a pneumatic torque wrench to loosen the plugs?
I wouldn't. Not only is there not much room, but if you try to loosen it too quickly, you could damage the few threads that are there.
2. HOW do you get a torque wrench on the "back" plugs to torque the new plugs, and if it's possible, is it ONLY possible with a short-handled wrench? Where do you find a short-handled torque wrench? I've only seen the long-handled ones.
Don't use a torque wrench. Its not needed. Just tighten it tight enough, knowing you are going into aluminum. It doesn't need to be super tight, but should be a bit more than "hand tight"
3. Is it POSSIBLE (or reliable) to torque with a pneumatic wrench? I just got a spankin' new compressor, and I'm itchin to use it.
Spark plugs are not the place for air tools. Its not possible or reliable to do so. What tightening spark plugs with an air ratchet will do is ensure headwork in the near future. In short, use hand tools only!!
Basically, I want to line up the tools needed so I can make this a one-day job, with no emergency trips to the NAPA store (which will no doubt be closed at the hour I need them to be open).
Get a 3/8 inch drive ratchet, a few long extensions, a swivel, and spark plug socket. I used anti sieze on my plugs but some dont like to use it. Also buy some dielectric grease for the boots. Also make sure you have a good gap tool and gap to .054 or thereabouts.
Thanks, and any additional info would be appreciated.
Oh, '97 F150, 4.6L, 247,000 miles, plugs HAVE been changed before by dealer.
Do not usa a pneumatic tool on a plug. I use anti-seize for plugs on my spark plugs and they do not blow out. If you tighten the plugs right they will not loosen even with the anti-seize. This is the product that I use.
http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...ductId=1288650
I use a plug socket, one 6" and one 3" extension. I also remove the Fuel rails becasue I do not like having to use a universal joint when doing plugs. I have yet to use a torque wrench. I go by feel. Do it on a cold engine becasue the heat will make the rubber insert on the plug socket fall out and possibly drop the plug in the hole. I start on the driver side at the rear and work my way to the front then do the same on the passenger side. If you can do the difficult ones your reward is to finish on an easy one.
Regards
Jean Marc Chartier
http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...ductId=1288650
I use a plug socket, one 6" and one 3" extension. I also remove the Fuel rails becasue I do not like having to use a universal joint when doing plugs. I have yet to use a torque wrench. I go by feel. Do it on a cold engine becasue the heat will make the rubber insert on the plug socket fall out and possibly drop the plug in the hole. I start on the driver side at the rear and work my way to the front then do the same on the passenger side. If you can do the difficult ones your reward is to finish on an easy one.
Regards
Jean Marc Chartier
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1. Is it OK to use a pneumatic torque wrench to loosen the plugs?
2. HOW do you get a torque wrench on the "back" plugs to torque the new plugs, and if it's possible, is it ONLY possible with a short-handled wrench? Where do you find a short-handled torque wrench? I've only seen the long-handled ones.
3. Is it POSSIBLE (or reliable) to torque with a pneumatic wrench? I just got a spankin' new compressor, and I'm itchin to use it.
Luck!
I have a 2000 F-150 Off Road. I have not changed the plugs because I only have 35,000 miles on my truck. I bought a snap-on 6 inch socket as I wanted to check the torque on the plugs. I bought a 3/8 inch drive Sears torque wrench and checked the torque on my plugs. They were tight at the 11 ft pounds called for in my shop manual. I had no problem with this set up and did not use any swivels but I may have used a short extenson.
I did not remove the fuel rails. My Ford Shop Manual does not recommend using anti seize compound.
Warren
I did not remove the fuel rails. My Ford Shop Manual does not recommend using anti seize compound.
Warren
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I did not see anything at all in the Helm manual about anti seize on plugs. Regardless I will use it even if they say no. If you can point me to where it is in the manual I will be sure to include the warning in any future posts.
JMC
JMC
I changed my plugs yesterday do to a persistant hesitation issue. The electrodes on my old plugs were eroded away and the gap must have been 0.070"+. Mileage is 54K.
Anyway, 8 plugs later, and my drivability problems are solved. I used anti-seeze and di-electric grease and tightened them without a torque wrench. We'll see. The old ones came out hard, and didn't want to run the risk of galling the heads when I put the new ones in.
I used Motorcraft AGSF32FM platinum plugs. The only difference is that the new plugs were threaded all way.
Anyway, 8 plugs later, and my drivability problems are solved. I used anti-seeze and di-electric grease and tightened them without a torque wrench. We'll see. The old ones came out hard, and didn't want to run the risk of galling the heads when I put the new ones in.
I used Motorcraft AGSF32FM platinum plugs. The only difference is that the new plugs were threaded all way.
I got six of eight plugs changed out today, 1, 2, 5 through 8. Will finish the other two tomorrow. I have the 4.6 engine, but five of the six plugs were in the 0.080" to 0.085" gap range that I pulled out of the engine. I also decided to start changing the plugs and wires because it was hesitating during acceleration...plus it has 111K miles on it.
I also noticed the plugs that came out were not fully threaded, but the new ones are (in my case, I am putting in 432PPM Motorcraft plugs).
Hesitation is already gone, but I might as well replace the last two, I am NOT looking forward to changing out the #4 plug.
I also noticed the plugs that came out were not fully threaded, but the new ones are (in my case, I am putting in 432PPM Motorcraft plugs).
Hesitation is already gone, but I might as well replace the last two, I am NOT looking forward to changing out the #4 plug.




