Originally Posted by Toyz
(Post 4542161)
The last guy we helped with a similar starter issue after his swap ended up being an improperly located ground. If you could at all explain in detail how you have it wired or even better have a pic.. I could tell you whether it is right or not.
Get better man, I know the nasty is going around. Lot's of people on this side with chest and sinus colds. --Ryan |
Did you reinstall the spacer plate that goes between the trans and engine? .
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Originally Posted by DYNOTECH
(Post 4542414)
Did you reinstall the spacer plate that goes between the trans and engine? .
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It took an extra day but here's the pictures. I never thought i'd say this but PLEASE GOD let there by something hooked up wrong. :angel:
Attachment 26593 Attachment 26594 Attachment 26595 Attachment 26596 Attachment 26597 Attachment 26598 PLEASE HELP!!!! :lol: --Ryan |
Does Toyz or anybody else have any suggestions?
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Man, everything looks good. All where it needs to be. There is one frame ground on the harness to the starter. Is that connected? Can't see it in your pics. Should be on the starter harness, part way down it splits off and grounds to the top of the frame just inside the fender area.
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Is this the ground you're describing? If so, then yes, its on, and it was never removed when I pulled the engine.
Attachment 26599 So, if the solenoids are tripping, the starter is good, the flexplate is good, as well as the wiring. What's left? I'm starting to get that sinking feeling. :help: |
This might be a dumb azz idea but that would'nt be anything new coming from me. What if you loosened the three bolts that hold the strarter in its place just a little bit so you could just allow it to move a hair and then try to start it? It might make up for a little bit of misalignment.
Dont know what else to suggest, I'm grasping at straws here. :confused: |
Originally Posted by LE PEW
(Post 4547782)
This might be a dumb azz idea but that would'nt be anything new coming from me. What if you loosened the three bolts that hold the strarter in its place just a little bit so you could just allow it to move a hair and then try to start it? It might make up for a little bit of misalignment.
Dont know what else to suggest, I'm grasping at straws here. :confused: I have actually thought of that and wanna try it, but i'm worried it might damage something. I remember back in high school, I was working on my truck and I didn't get all the starter bolts tight, and when I started the truck, it ended up breaking a ear off the starter. Do you think there's a great chance of damaging something if I try this? say, if it catches the flexplate. That would be a GREAT deal of pressure put on the loose starter, ya know? and say it works, then what? tighten the starter back up and hope everything is fine? |
I was thinking to loosen it just enough that it rocks side to side just a little. If it does engage then I'm thinking that the starter isnt machined to spec causing a misalignment. If it works like that you would have to try another starter I guess.
There's is a chance that you could damage something, how much of a chance I dont know but it looks like you are running out of options to try. Do you know if that starter is a Ford or aftermarket starter? Good luck. |
Originally Posted by LE PEW
(Post 4547862)
I was thinking to loosen it just enough that it rocks side to side just a little. If it does engage then I'm thinking that the starter isnt machined to spec causing a misalignment. If it works like that you would have to try another starter I guess.
There's is a chance that you could damage something, how much of a chance I dont know but it looks like you are running out of options to try. Do you know if that starter is a Ford or aftermarket starter? Good luck. |
ok, update. I got home from work and I got back into "never ending project" mode. i loosened all the bolts up on the starter just enough to let the starter have a little bit 'o' wiggle..... tested, and..... it didn't work.... still milling. so i went back to my wiring to do some detective work and I am now, 97.365% sure that its not an issue with the wiring. I can to this realization b/c...
I ran an independent wire from the "+" terminal on the battery to the "+" terminal on the starter solenoid. I then ran an independent wire from the "S" terminal on the starter solenoid up to the battery, which I would touch to ground to "simulate" a key start condition.... I left the grounds the same from the starter harness, but disco'd the power and trigger from the harness..... I tested it and the starter is STILL milling the flexplate. So.... I'm now on to the culprit being the positioning of something on the vehicle (starter, flexplate, bellhousing, trans, engine, the gravitational forces of the earth, etc.) :bandito: Thoughts? --Ryan |
I'm thinking the easiest thing to try is the starter at this point .... :confused:
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Was the transmission left in the truck? If so, how much of a struggle ensued lining up the TC bolts to the flex plate? Did it go in the first try, with some force maybe?
Have you bench tested the starter? Maybe bolt it down to the bench or a rig, ground it and hit it with power. See what it is doing. Just seems odd both old and new starters would mill the flex plate. In your pics it looks as if you have the bell housing bolted tight to the block. I see you have your spacer. Only thing left is the position of the flex plate. Bit stumped. |
Originally Posted by Toyz
(Post 4550269)
Was the transmission left in the truck? If so, how much of a struggle ensued lining up the TC bolts to the flex plate? Did it go in the first try, with some force maybe?
Have you bench tested the starter? Maybe bolt it down to the bench or a rig, ground it and hit it with power. See what it is doing. Just seems odd both old and new starters would mill the flex plate. In your pics it looks as if you have the bell housing bolted tight to the block. I see you have your spacer. Only thing left is the position of the flex plate. Bit stumped. IS there a crank space that is supposed to go between the block and the flexplate. I'm 99.9% sure there isn't one b/c the bolts had no length issues. just thought i'd ask though. --Ryan |
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