Fair enough. And I have no problem agreeing to disagree respectfully my friend...

How's that ref?????

 

$3 - $5 a gallon???? Are you crazy, wait one, I think you should move this to the Geneal Discussion thread, it could get ugly in here...

 

uh...better make that $6 a gallon. We got a war coming up and it will be expensive.

 

I just thought I would throw out there also that I can find amsoil on the shelves at many auto parts stores here in Minnesota. It really is not that hard to find.

Locomotive engines were commonly one of the first uses of oil analysis. Locomotive engines are huge - one of the most common ever made is a V16 with each cylinder displacing more than a small block chevy. Oil sumps are 250-350 GALLONS of oil. Oil usually is not changed. Using bypass filtration and oil replacement and additives for oil used during operation, the oil is analyzed to determine engine condition. By doing so, different things like leaky injectors, bad filtration, and bearing wear can be used to identify mechanical issues before they destroy the engine. It is a proven science rather than arbitrary numbers used by the general public. No two people drive the exactly the same which means oil deteration can vary dramatically between identical vehciles.

For instance, my oil analysis has shown that I can extend oil changes to beyond 5,000 miles easily on my '99 F150 even though according to Ford it should be run on the severe duty schedule, with oil changes every 3,000 miles.

 

The military uses 'Oil Analysis Programs' on specified engines.
It has proven to be very cost effective.
One Abrams tank has about 115 quart capacity.

 

I see nothing wrong with 'Oil Analysis Programs' with the exception when it's my own wallet depending on the results I have to question if its good for me.

The military uses it and thats great, but if they get a bad reading and happen to run something in the ground no problem, they just have "us" pay for it, same with any business that may use it, if something happens because of a bad reading they simple pass that cost onto "us".

Now when I can figure a way to pass my cost of my screw-ups on to "all of you" then I might think about going 30,000 miles with oil analysis, again thats just my opinion...

I was in the military so I know how it works when spending "other peoples" money. I remember when at sea they would be painting the ship, when they stopped for breaks or lunch, dinner rather then cleaning a paint brush or roller "cost effective" they would simple throw it overboard and let Davey have it. When they came back they simple got a brand new brush, "thank you tax payer"

I could see that with say a tank and a bad reading and the motor is worn out prematuraly, "Oooops, oh well, that motor sucked anyway"

 

A bad reading?
Uncle Sam doesn't get a bad reading.
Many a young Private has tried to take a sample from the nearest Abrams just because he didn't want to go all the to the back of the motor pool on a cold morning to get it from the right tank.

The response is: thank you for the sample however, that sample did not come from the tank you said it did, please try again.

The equipment the Army uses breaks the analysis down like a fingerprint. Their ability to predict breakdown is uncanny.

Calculate changing the oil on 1500 Abrams at 115 quarts each on a regular basis...
to taking 1500 samples, the result of which is:
Change the oil on 75 tanks
Pull seven out of line for engine repair
(seven that would not have been identified otherwise and would have required new engines)

The Government has some Boondoggles but, (AOAP) isn't one of them.

 

The ratio of oil capacity to cost is what makes it cost effective. (In my opinion.)

 

I don't want a heated debate either. I have been spending quite a bit of time researching different oils, manufacturers, their warrenties, actual test results from real people in real cars, etc... I'm going to switch to synthetic and wanted the only the best that I can afford for my truck & motorcycle.

I have decided to switch to Amsoil in my truck & motorcycle. However my motorcycle's transmission will continue to get the dino Harley transmission lube due to the fact that synthetics do not climb gears very well. I may switch back to Harley's 20w-50 depending on how much the Amsoil foams up during operation. My truck's transfer case & differentials will receive the same dino treatment also.

I didn't have a hard time finding it either. A local parts store stocks a decent amount of the most common oils.

Would these be the same EXPERTS that changed from recommending 5w-30 to recommending 5w-20 without any engine redesign? What changed their minds? Before you think I'm bashing them, I will admit that oil analysis on other sites has shown that 5w-20 is doing a good job of protecting Ford engines, even with an ambient temperature of over 100f.

 

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"Would these be the same EXPERTS that changed from recommending 5w-30 to recommending 5w-20 without any engine redesign? What changed their minds? Before you think I'm bashing them, I will admit that oil analysis on other sites has shown that 5w-20 is doing a good job of protecting Ford engines, even with an ambient temperature of over 100f."

Excellent point indeed. Let the record show that not only do I change my oil every 3,000 miles (**** yes, but warm and fuzzy) but I use 5W-30...

 

I think you will find the Amsoil 20w50 will have better antifoam properties than the stock stuff. As the 20w50 is basically the same as the 15w40 diesel and marine oil. If you notice the 20w50 also carries the CH-4 Diesel rating.

As far as putting dino in your trucks transfer and differentials, I believe that For recommends Synthetic 75w140 for the rear. The transfer case calls for ATF(I think)

Lastly as far as synthetics not climbing gears? Huh? I believe all around a synthetic will protect gears far better than a conventional because of the higher film strenght, as well that it will flow better in the cold and stay thicker in the heat.

 

I will agree with you and say that, as far as my F150, it is recommended that you use 75W140 full synthetic in the rear-end. If it is limited slip you also must use the friction modifier.

 

Okay, so we both agree that maybe the so called "experts" could be wrong, and we both are not going to follow what the so called experts recommend. Are we wrong? No, I'll do what works for me and you'll do what works for you and we'll both be happy.

 

We have come to an agreement...

Now were is that ref...

I do respect your opinions and post and by no means mean any disrespect towards you, and I do not feel you have towards me. It does make for good reading and for others to weigh the different opinions to make a judgement based on what "they" feel works for them.

Fair and Balanced I always say...

 

Yes, Ford does recommend sythetic, but I've seen way too many Ford rear differentials prematurly go bad with the recommended stuff (3 out of 22). That's a bit of a high number of failures if you ask me. So far I'm doing great with a thinner synthectic blend in my truck.

As far a synthetics not climbing gears...I found this info in quite a few places with different manufacturers. Heres the one I remember. bobistheoilguy.com

I haven't seen a study where a full sythetic climbs gears. If you can show me Amsoil will, I'll go pick up a quart of 10w-40 for my bikes tranny.