SSCULLY-

Sorry, didn't see Navi Man's post. Didn't mean to come off as hypercritical. I dropped 5 points on a recent math test due to the fact that I forgot to reverse an inequality due to a neg. sign being present.


Get some rest.

 

Navi Man,

Sorry didn't have one on you, I went and colllasped in bed as I should have before that post

mf150,

Sorry if I came off like an @ss, I was just trying to acknowledge your post, and say yea, that is FU'ed. The only confusion was me

Boy now that I read it after a solid 7 hours sleep I read that and it is like WTF ?

ssinor is like what the fuc... what happen to my post, I step out for a smoke, and it turned in to a 3 ring circus including ring master Ned

Steve

 

Thanks! When you go to iceman, you are redirected to a site that has nothing to do with anything. Anyone have an opinion on the Volant system? R.K.




QUOTE]Originally posted by SSCULLY
[B]rkm,

The links that I have :
Air Force 1 : cannot find this right now
Airaide : airaid.com
K&N : knfilters.com
Iceman : icemanmotorsports.com
Roush : In the catalog that you down load from the site.
( oddly enough the Iceman and the Roush look exactly the same )
WMS Velocity tube : wmsracing.com ( sometimes there server does not work so well for some reason )
eBay FIPK ( don't have any idea the name of this one, jsut what you will see it refered to around here ). : On eBay if you search for FIPK ( here on F150online.com ) , you should find the link to the place that sells these.
The other I forgot is MAC intake.

 

rkm,

Did you put a www in front of that ?

I just put in the domain name, so it did not parse the URLs for me ( too lazy to uncheck the parse URLs tag on the post I guess ).

I see what you mean if you just use the address without the www infront of it.

Sorry I forgot the Volaint, that should have been on the list as well. Myself, I have seen a few here use it and love it, but I would say the same amount have the eBay FIPK and also love it.

The AF1 comes both with and without a filter box, that hooks to the fender opening. So there are actually 2 types here to look at.

The eBay FIPK, do the filter upgrade to a filter that has pleasts in the end of it, for a quick add on. K&N makes these as well as Airaid ( as BigDeal has ).
That seems to be a big item is the filter with the pleasts in the end, rather then the chrome or plastic cap on it.

Check out the one that Neal made, looks a whole lot like the EBay FIPK ( slight design change on the tube, which could be major ).

I now have 3 FIPKs to test this summer with the new xhst.
K&N ( retest )
ROUSHFAN-1 FIPK ( just the name given to it, he does not sell them )
The Roush intake with a 11" filter off the JLP kit. ( shape change to teh Tube to see if it is really that big of a deal ).

I am going to schedule Dyno time for the new xhst first.

Then the AutoTap logs for the MAFS flow rate on each ( need time to get adaptive learning cleared out, and started again between each ).
If they are dirt close, I'll be re-doing the tests with the Dyno rather then the AutoTap log.

Also the OM-44 data logging temp probe is ready to go, testing underhood and fenderwell temps, to see how much delta there really is.

That is the project for this summer, once the winter blend fuels are cleaned out

Dyno Time, buy a 6 pack !

 

Thanks, you are right, I did not put www. in front. Habit, I never do and it is usually placed there automatically if it isn't founs with http.

I guess the reason the iceman system looks like the Roush system is, iceman manufactures the Roush system for them, as well as Ford motorsports and a few others.

Okay, between iceman and Volant, which would you pick? also, there is some mention by Volant as enlarging the fender opening for more flow, thus more power, would the housing fit if one were to do that? Thanks for your reply and time...

R.K.

 

rkm,

From that list, I'll have to defer to someone who has it on thier truck.

I currently have the ROUSHFAN-1 Franken FIPK on, waiting until this summer to test the Roush intake with the JLP filter on it, to see if it is really better then the K&N or the ROUSHFAN-1 FIPK.

Sorry can't help with those 2.

 

sorry for all the questions. I am debating whether to buy a system or not, probably will after I get my truck back. Just wondering the thoughts of, open element vs. closed box (hot vs. cool) Also, the iceman uses the stock air box while Volant changes the box.

My uneducated opinion is that obviously cooler is better but is that cancelled out by the better flow of the open element systems? Simply which is better, lower flow but cooler, or more flow but warmer? Thanks.....

R.K.

 

RKM,

Don't let the hot air story change what you are looking at.

When I did the logging last year, the AIT to outside temp was about 5*F delta while moving.

While I don't have the numbers on the AIT to outside air when using the stock housing, I cannot see it being at outside air temp exactly. Maybe 2*F cooler then the engine compartment temp while moving, maybe the same.

The hot air story is mostly marketing material, from the testing that I did last summer in teh 93 to 104* F range.

Some will claim that 1HP is lost per 11*F in air temp, others will claim 1*F is a loss of 10% of the HP. While these maybe true, they do not take into account the increased air flow of the open filter FIPK, over that of the Stock filter housing.

If you look at the testing at FTW, the most consistant HP increase is the K&N FIPK. This produced an average of 4 HP, with only a fan in front of the truck on the Dyno for air flow.
The other 2 produced 2 HP avg. ( Airaid and Volant )

Some seem to have good luck with the eBay FIPK and an upgraded filter with pleats on the end of it, versus the cap on the end of it like the stock kits contain.
My best MAFS flow rates seem to be with the Filter from teh JLP kit which is an 11" filter with a pleated end on it.
Just some additional thoughts on what to do.
Testing URL :
www.fordtruckworld.com/tenarticle.asp?sid=2&aid=38
Good luck on your selection, as I said only a big gulp straw is worse then the stock air intake system

 

I read one of the links you provided a few days ago, that tested K&N, Volant and Airaid. True, according to the test, K&N did deliver more power to the wheels than the other two. That is until the motor was hot on the 3rd run, then it (K&N) went down to the HP gain of the other two. I guess if I was at a drag strip and could let the motor cool down between runs, that would be good. Driving around for a few hours on the street though, heat has to build.

You obviously know A LOT more than I do on this subject, what about sucking water? It does get wet here, rain / snow, etc.

Thanks for the time, again.


R.K.

 

The one thing that the testing could not show is how the engine compartment cools off while driving.
The fan in front of the truck is basically for the cooling system alone, and the engine compartment cools off greater then this while driving. Then once the truck goes above 35 MPH, back to normal ( i.e. the first dyno pull ).

That is one thing repeated dyno pulls cannot show, is how the air moving under the truck at 35+ mph is going to have an effect on the engine performance.

As for water, if you have water that high up in the engine, you have got other problems. It does not suck water into the intake.
Same for snow, if snow is pilled that high on the engine, you have got other problems.

Chicago gets rain, snow, cold and heat w/ humidity, no problems in all my years of using K&N FIPKs both Gen I and Gen II versions.

No problem, keep asking the questions that is why the forum is here

Steve

 

Steve-

I, too, have had my FIPK for over a year. I have never had problems with rain or anything else for that matter.

mf

 

I have the same FIPK. Whered you get the filter from?

 

At the local 4Wheel Parts store. They had to order it in for me. Think it cost me around $42. If I had it to do again I'd probably have purchased an Accel Kool Bue Filter. They make an open ended filter that fits and is somewhat less expensive (around $25). You can get the Kool Bue filter at a number of online sources (www.summitracing.com , www.mrgasket.com).

Good luck.

-Mike-