DTC 9202-Fuel Sender Open Circuit
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DTC 9202-Fuel Sender Open Circuit
Another "service engine soon" problem. I ran the DTC codes on my 2000 F150 V6. It came up with DTC 9202 (apparently, a fuel sender open circuit).
Aside from the service light being on, this thing is going through gas faster than I go through beer.
Does anyone have any idea what I should be looking for?
Thanks in advance,
Mike
Aside from the service light being on, this thing is going through gas faster than I go through beer.
Does anyone have any idea what I should be looking for?
Thanks in advance,
Mike
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From: Under the flightpath of old ORD 22R
Maybe P0202 ??
This is from the Ford Service Manual.
DTC
P0201 through P0212 Cylinder #1 through Cylinder #12 Injector Circuits.
Description
The comprehensive component monitor (CCM) monitors the operation of the fuel injector drivers in the PCM. The test fails when the fuel injector does not operate electrically even though the harness assembly and fuel injectors test satisfactorily.
Possible Causes
Faulty fuel injector driver within the PCM.
Diagnostic Aides
PID Data Monitor INJ1F -INJ12F fault flags= YES
Not a whole lot of useful info in the manual on this one.
The 'going through gas like mad' sounds as if you are pushing a dead cylinder.
Does the oil smell of gas, as if you are pushing un-combusted gas past the rings ?
It almost sounds as if the Plug is not firing, but that should cause a secondary code, not just this one code.
If you are not getting another code with this one, I do not know if resetting the PCM is going to crap for it.
Do you have a chip ? Maybe it has worked loose ? ( huge SWAG on that one...no data what so ever to back it up ).
Just looking for things that might cause problems with the PCM code.
Maybe yank the chip ( if so equipped ) take the neg off the battery and turn on the lights to reset the PCM, and then turn off the lights, hook up the battery, while saying 7 'Our Fathers' and start it up again.
Should not take long to see what is going on.
Silly question, have you checked the plug in cylinder #2 to make sure it is not hanging out of the head ?
Maybe testing the COP to see if it functioning ?
At the moment I out of ideas beyond this......
Trashed PCM data ......hummmm
DTC
P0201 through P0212 Cylinder #1 through Cylinder #12 Injector Circuits.
Description
The comprehensive component monitor (CCM) monitors the operation of the fuel injector drivers in the PCM. The test fails when the fuel injector does not operate electrically even though the harness assembly and fuel injectors test satisfactorily.
Possible Causes
Faulty fuel injector driver within the PCM.
Diagnostic Aides
PID Data Monitor INJ1F -INJ12F fault flags= YES
Not a whole lot of useful info in the manual on this one.
The 'going through gas like mad' sounds as if you are pushing a dead cylinder.
Does the oil smell of gas, as if you are pushing un-combusted gas past the rings ?
It almost sounds as if the Plug is not firing, but that should cause a secondary code, not just this one code.
If you are not getting another code with this one, I do not know if resetting the PCM is going to crap for it.
Do you have a chip ? Maybe it has worked loose ? ( huge SWAG on that one...no data what so ever to back it up ).
Just looking for things that might cause problems with the PCM code.
Maybe yank the chip ( if so equipped ) take the neg off the battery and turn on the lights to reset the PCM, and then turn off the lights, hook up the battery, while saying 7 'Our Fathers' and start it up again.
Should not take long to see what is going on.
Silly question, have you checked the plug in cylinder #2 to make sure it is not hanging out of the head ?
Maybe testing the COP to see if it functioning ?
At the moment I out of ideas beyond this......
Trashed PCM data ......hummmm
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From: kinston nc
sscully, he has gotten that code out of his instrument cluster, so its irrellevant to his check engine light. The codes on the cluster are for internal visteon diag persons only, only useful when the cluster is hooked up on a visteon test bench for re-furbing purposes before they send them back out to us at the dealership.
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From: Under the flightpath of old ORD 22R
Originally posted by jefflaws
sscully, he has gotten that code out of his instrument cluster, so its irrellevant to his check engine light.
sscully, he has gotten that code out of his instrument cluster, so its irrellevant to his check engine light.
I missed it complety that this is from the HEC isntrument run, which all should know by now ( as you have told us time and time again ) is not a DTC code reader.
You need a Actron or similar for getting the actual DTCs.
PS yes I have stopped the coding geek wording of tossing a code
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Well, since you and i know that there is no 9202 code from the PCM, and since i know that the particular code is generated by the HEC, I just made my conclusion that he got it from the HEC.
PS, i didnt mean to point any fingers or offend anyone here (especially you) about the word "throw". I actually was talking about people locally using it when i said something about it last week.
PS, i didnt mean to point any fingers or offend anyone here (especially you) about the word "throw". I actually was talking about people locally using it when i said something about it last week.
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Originally posted by jefflaws
Well, since you and i know that there is no 9202 code from the PCM, and since i know that the particular code is generated by the HEC, I just made my conclusion that he got it from the HEC.
Well, since you and i know that there is no 9202 code from the PCM, and since i know that the particular code is generated by the HEC, I just made my conclusion that he got it from the HEC.
).Now I know another, I just figured with the 0 and 9 next to each other, it was a typo, and the 9202 and 0202 the description could have been the dopes at PepBoys as always ( I was also shocked that they gave a different description other then 'it's the O2 sensor' )
Originally posted by jefflaws
PS, i didnt mean to point any fingers or offend anyone here (especially you) about the word "throw". I actually was talking about people locally using it when i said something about it last week.
PS, i didnt mean to point any fingers or offend anyone here (especially you) about the word "throw". I actually was talking about people locally using it when i said something about it last week.
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so what's the answer?
OK, so he got the code from the instrument panel. And it is 9202. What does this code mean?
(I want to know cause I have the same code!)
(I want to know cause I have the same code!)
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From: Under the flightpath of old ORD 22R
The answer is the HEC instrument diags are not a DTC reader like an Actron or similar device.
If you have a CEL get a DTC scanner that plugs into the ODBII port and get the actual code.
The code you are getting is only for the Visteon bench techs.
If you goto Pep Boys or AutoZone and have them scan it, get the actual code is is setting and post it back at the site for some help.
Or if you'd like you can get a Actron scanner for Ford only for something like 39.95 at Sears Hardware, it is online at the Actron web site for ~44.00, but this is a Ford only scanner. Not much fancy about that. The high end one that scans and clears multiple cars mfgrd is ~ 200.00.
I went with the all makes version and also got the AutoTap software.
If you have a CEL get a DTC scanner that plugs into the ODBII port and get the actual code.
The code you are getting is only for the Visteon bench techs.
If you goto Pep Boys or AutoZone and have them scan it, get the actual code is is setting and post it back at the site for some help.
Or if you'd like you can get a Actron scanner for Ford only for something like 39.95 at Sears Hardware, it is online at the Actron web site for ~44.00, but this is a Ford only scanner. Not much fancy about that. The high end one that scans and clears multiple cars mfgrd is ~ 200.00.
I went with the all makes version and also got the AutoTap software.
