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Old Dec 15, 2003 | 04:57 PM
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Question Higher Spring Rate Shock

What is a great shock for an increased spring rate? I am not only concerned about shock compression. I am also concerned about shock REBOUND with the higher spring rate front coil springs. The toxic shocks are still very hard to compress (harder than bilstiens) but I "think" that the shocks are not keeping up with the rebound of the higher spring rated stock coil springs that I cut for a 3 and 1/4" drop.
 
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Old Dec 16, 2003 | 09:05 AM
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You cut too much off, but, you could try Bilsteins. Also make sure you use shorter bump stops.
 
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Old Dec 16, 2003 | 09:32 AM
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Shocks do not have a spring rate. They just dampen the springs. 3" cut from the sock springs is not something that will feel right with any shock. Why not buy lowering springs?
 
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Old Dec 16, 2003 | 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by APT
Shocks do not have a spring rate.
You are correct, but they do have compression and rebound rates.
 
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Old Dec 16, 2003 | 03:12 PM
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Thanks for the input everyone. Sorry, I did not formulate my question correctly. What I meant was that, I cut the front coil springs for a 3 and 1/4 inch drop. By doing so, I not only got the exact lowering I wanted, but I also greatly increased the spring rate.

I wanted to do this. I had tried DJM lowering springs, but the springs did not have an increased spring rate and did not lower the front end to the exact amount I wanted. I increased the spring rate to reduce the effects of cross-wind induced body roll. The increased spring rate has reduced cross-wind body roll better than anything eles (larger swaybar, stiffer shocks, wider lower profile tires).

I was wanting to know, what shocks had a high rate of rebound to "keep up with" and control, the higher spring rate rebound.

.........I could try some belltech 3" drop coil springs since they seem a little stiffer than stock, but I would not get the exact drop I was looking for and I would lose the higher spring rate-anti-cross-wind body roll effects.

Would I be better off with replacing the higher spring rate cut coils with standard 3" lowering belltech coils or should I look for front shocks that have a higher rebound rate to compensate for the higher spring rate rebound of the cutt coil springs?


 
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Old Dec 17, 2003 | 07:48 AM
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[B]Thanks for the input everyone. Sorry, I did not formulate my question correctly. What I meant was that, I cut the front coil springs for a 3 and 1/4 inch drop. By doing so, I not only got the exact lowering I wanted, but I also greatly increased the spring rate.
How do you figure that you increased the spring rate by doing that? I don't think the stock springs are progressive rate so that now you are now always at a higher rate. You just have less travel. I highly recommend finding a good lowering spring. I have no idea what a "good one" is (torson bars on 4WD)m though so maybe someone else can step in.

I wanted to do this. I had tried DJM lowering springs, but the springs did not have an increased spring rate and did not lower the front end to the exact amount I wanted. I increased the spring rate to reduce the effects of cross-wind induced body roll. The increased spring rate has reduced cross-wind body roll better than anything eles (larger swaybar, stiffer shocks, wider lower profile tires).
Sure, I understand the benefits besides looks. i jus tthink cutting springs is a poor way to accomplish that. On top of that, it makes it difficult to find a good matching shock because. The shocks that you need for a lowered truck, do not work well with low rate springs. Yet, the shocks designed for those springs, depend on the full suspension travel. Take a look at a shock catalog. It has different part numbers for stock height, lowered, or lifted.

I recommend finding a lowering spring that will give you the look you want and then a mating shock designed for lowered suspension. May be best to start a new thread for that, or I am sure a search will find plenty of discussions.
 
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Old Dec 17, 2003 | 12:36 PM
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Good and critical point.......does cutting a stock spring increase the spring rate ? According to all research-yes it does.

When you cut a spring you not only lower the stance, you also get a MUCH stiffer or higher spring rate spring, as well as having less spring travel. A stiffer spring with less travel equates to a much faster rebound. I know they make shocks for higher spring rate, faster rebounding springs (koni, QA-1s, etc.) I just do not know which one works well with cut springs that are very stiff and have a very high spring rate
 
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Old Dec 17, 2003 | 07:06 PM
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Good and critical point.......does cutting a stock spring increase the spring rate ? According to all research-yes it does.
I just did a little research and found conflicting evidence. Anyway, I'll take your word for it for now.

Anyway, to answer your question that I kind of already implied, fidn a shock that is designed for lowered suspension. Rancho, Bilstein, and Edlebrock all do.
 
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Old Dec 17, 2003 | 11:44 PM
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Thanks. Yeah, I spoke to a guy that worked at a shop that made springs. He confirmed that if I cut the stock springs, it would greatly increase the spring rate, therefore, I would have a very stiff spring. He was right. It reduced body roll due to cross winds better than any other mod. .....so far. However, with my toxic shocks the stiffer springs produces a short and very fast "bounce" effect sometimes. I need to find a shock with an increased rebound dampening ability for F150s.
 
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