Roush, Trilogy, Whipple? Who to pick?

Old Mar 13, 2006 | 03:11 PM
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Roush, Trilogy, Whipple? Who to pick?

3 weeks ago, I’m drivin down main in my new 06 fx4 f150, when my buddy in his new Silverado pulls up to the light. We hit it. He pulls away from me, far away from me. I know he's runnin some serious mods but denies it and wont let me take a look under the hood. He doesn’t let me hear the end of it. At my mothers birth day- he goes on and on about it. At church- he goes on and on. At work he tells the managers and the managers start taking cracks at me for it. Finally, I’ve had enough. So instead of beating him to a pulp with the heel of my boot (which is hard not to, you gotta know this guy) I challenged him to a race at Milan raceway, out side of Detroit in may. Lets just $ay he and I have more than pride on the line for this race. But what he wont know is that my car will be blowing like a clown on balloons at a toddlers b-day party. The only problem is that I am undecided on what supercharger to get. Since my buddies only talk the talk and cant walk the walk, I’m having a hard time picking one supercharger. I was hopein you fellas could lend me a little guidance, since you are all truck enthusiasts that use these products. What Supercharger do I pick? Trilogy, Roush, whipple? can you give me some stats on em?
 

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Old Mar 14, 2006 | 12:33 AM
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i went with the roush b/c of the warranty 36000mi is hard to beat luv the thing u will need a tune from troyer to make it go

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Old Mar 14, 2006 | 12:46 AM
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I went with the Whipple. If you go this route, and want it for speed to smoke somebody, you'll want to get the tuner kit and have a performance shop dyno tune the supercharger for you. The stock Whipple tune will restrict your top speed, so if you max out at 100, it won't be long before he's past you. I believe most other superchargers are tuned the same way if you go with the manufacturers tune.

Whipple is arguably the best supercharger on the market for the 3 valve 5.4L.
 
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Old Mar 14, 2006 | 09:54 AM
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F1,
Even though 05RoushMarkLT is a gentleman, I must disagree with his statement
Whipple is arguably the best supercharger on the market for the 3 valve 5.4L.
Could be because of my affiliation with Trilogy.
All three kits produce equal amounts of horsepower and torque. So far I have not seen anybody produce 397 rwhp as claimed from Whipple. Most of us and Im sure you have your truck as the daily driver but as 05roushmarklt stated
you'll want to get the tuner kit and have a performance shop dyno tune the supercharger for you. The stock Whipple tune will restrict your top speed, so if you max out at 100, it won't be long before he's past you.
if you are looking at smoking somebody. Everybody has their opinion on the best. For the price, look, proven reliability and after purchase customer support I would choose a Trilogy kit. Besides, you can play with it right out of the box, no need to send it to a tuner like the other guys.

Good luck. This is my .02. Aint nothing like driving a blown F150.
 
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Old Mar 14, 2006 | 10:45 AM
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Here we go again, arguing about which supercharger is the best. In my opinion they are all good and produce a tremendous amount of power (more than 100 additional Hp with any of them). I have an ATI procharger and I love it. When I came to decide which one to get, I almost went with Roush, but preferred the intercooled one. I didn´t hear of Trilogy until recently, and whipple also called my attention. All in all, either one you get will be a lot of fun. Nothing like blowing the doors off of an unsuspected fellow racer and watching their face afterwards (you know they are thinking ...What the hell was that???...)

Good luck and let us know how it goes.
 
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Old Mar 14, 2006 | 12:00 PM
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Flavio marco,
Theres no arguing, just playful banter.
Besides, Trilogy may be new, but we are the best. Ok, Ok, Im done.... .

You are so right,
Nothing like blowing the doors off of an unsuspected fellow racer and watching their face afterwards (you know they are thinking ...What the hell was that???...)
 
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Old Mar 14, 2006 | 02:22 PM
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Hey Lone_Star@Trilogy,

Where are you located??. Do you ship overseas? How soon can you get a kit ready for an FX-4 2006 4X4 ??. I am down here in Venezuela and have a couple of impressed friends that want to supercharge now that they have seen the performance of my truck. If Trilogy is like procharger (complete package including tuner) I think something can be worked out. That way I will let you know which is better between the two (procharger or Trilogy... ).

Keep in mind that getting dyno tuned here is kind of a drag (there is only one in the country).

Keep me posted. If you do not ship overseas, I can have it picked up.

Flavio.
 
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Old Mar 14, 2006 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by F1F150
What Supercharger do I pick? Trilogy, Roush, whipple? can you give me some stats on em?
Don't know which engine you have, nor what rearend, etc., etc. However, I can say, if financially possible, get something intercooled, with the ability to go up in boost.

In a perfect world, it would be nice to have an intercooled roots and then upgrade to a twinscrew after a built block OR use one turbo with a stock engine and then go to two turbos after a built block OR.....just get what you like and can afford!....and find out his truck specs and mods!
 
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Old Mar 15, 2006 | 10:06 AM
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Flavio,

We are located in Dearborn, MI. I am going to check into shipping to Venezuela. Depending on costs, it might be more economical to have it picked up. I will check though, what is your postal code?

Trilogy kits are complete packages including tuner. So There is nothing you are going to need to buy extra for the supercharger install. We have the truck tuned on a flash tuner (included in kit) by well known in the mustang world Lidio Iacobelli of Alternative Auto. Here is a quote from him on the kit"
This kit fits very neatly under the hood including all the necessary pieces and doesn’t require any major cutting or botching of the vehicle to perform the full install and has a very OEM appearance and excellent driveability.
 
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 07:13 PM
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Ok, This is what im thinking right now...

I’m getting a better understanding of what I want from my package. I have reviewed the major supercharger packages and this is what I have come up with…

1.) The Whipple package- This type of package has been used on pro racing cars for quite some time now and has proven performance, unfortunately to get the power they promise I will have to spend more than just the initial package. They claim horsepower in the high 300 range but after reviewing all of the threads on truck forums I haven’t heard of a single person that has gotten there truck near that HP range with out changing injectors or replacing other parts that are not included in the initial package. On top of that, Ill need to go out and pay a tuner to calibrate the electronics. This is a nice package but because of all the add-on’s its slowly moving to the back of my list.

2.) Trilogy Motorsports package- These are the newer guys on the block. They use a Eaton, roots type blower (which is what auto manufacturers use on most factory supercharged engines). I like the fact that this blower package is intercooler, Whipple and Roush arn’t. A few engineers that I know in Detroit say this will add longevity to my engine and blower plus, give me a horsepower advantage. I was skeptical of them because I have not heard a whole lot their package. I called up the guys Trilogy yesterday and expressed my concern about the fact that I have heard a lot more about Whipple and Roush and not a lot about them. They answered all my questions and put me in contact with some of the guys that they have made supercharges packages for Marauders for to put my reputation worries about them at ease. I think the Marauder guys have a cult like following for trilogy. They truly love there trilogy package. Trilogy has just come out with their f-150 package which is why I haven’t heard of them from the truck crowd. What I like about their package is that there are no hidden fees. Everything I need to make my FX4 autobahn worthy by the end of the week is included, the tune, an installation manual with color photos of the step by step instillation process and even a boost gauge. They told me straight up this is what your going to pay and this is what you will get. I’m keeping them high on my list.

3.) Roush- Roush has a proven name. Every race fan in the world has heard of Jack Roush and his race team. Roush really has a solid following on this site. They have a package similar to trilogy’s that uses a roots type blower. Though, their package is non-intercooled and thus produces 10 ponies less at the rear wheels. The Roush kit comes with a nice 36000 mile warranty, though I have heard from a couple of guys that argue if Roush honors that. I would love to tell my friend after I race him that I schooled his *** with the help of Jack Roush. But, I wont pick a kit just for the name.

Well, this is where my thoughts and research have taken me as of right now. I hope you guys out there with Whipple, Trilogy, and Roush kits can tell me about your supercharged experiences and help me shed some light on what package to get. Cheers.
 
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Old Mar 17, 2006 | 07:47 PM
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The Roush kit NOW has an optional intercooler as well. So that may push you towards the Roush...look into that. I'm pretty sure it gives a fair amount more tham "10 more ponies" too.
 
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Old Mar 18, 2006 | 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by F1F150
I’m getting a better understanding of what I want from my package. I have reviewed the major supercharger packages and this is what I have come up with…

1.) The Whipple package- This type of package has been used on pro racing cars for quite some time now and has proven performance, unfortunately to get the power they promise I will have to spend more than just the initial package. They claim horsepower in the high 300 range but after reviewing all of the threads on truck forums I haven’t heard of a single person that has gotten there truck near that HP range with out changing injectors or replacing other parts that are not included in the initial package. On top of that, Ill need to go out and pay a tuner to calibrate the electronics. This is a nice package but because of all the add-on’s its slowly moving to the back of my list.

2.) Trilogy Motorsports package- These are the newer guys on the block. They use a Eaton, roots type blower (which is what auto manufacturers use on most factory supercharged engines). I like the fact that this blower package is intercooler, Whipple and Roush arn’t. A few engineers that I know in Detroit say this will add longevity to my engine and blower plus, give me a horsepower advantage. I was skeptical of them because I have not heard a whole lot their package. I called up the guys Trilogy yesterday and expressed my concern about the fact that I have heard a lot more about Whipple and Roush and not a lot about them. They answered all my questions and put me in contact with some of the guys that they have made supercharges packages for Marauders for to put my reputation worries about them at ease. I think the Marauder guys have a cult like following for trilogy. They truly love there trilogy package. Trilogy has just come out with their f-150 package which is why I haven’t heard of them from the truck crowd. What I like about their package is that there are no hidden fees. Everything I need to make my FX4 autobahn worthy by the end of the week is included, the tune, an installation manual with color photos of the step by step instillation process and even a boost gauge. They told me straight up this is what your going to pay and this is what you will get. I’m keeping them high on my list.

3.) Roush- Roush has a proven name. Every race fan in the world has heard of Jack Roush and his race team. Roush really has a solid following on this site. They have a package similar to trilogy’s that uses a roots type blower. Though, their package is non-intercooled and thus produces 10 ponies less at the rear wheels. The Roush kit comes with a nice 36000 mile warranty, though I have heard from a couple of guys that argue if Roush honors that. I would love to tell my friend after I race him that I schooled his *** with the help of Jack Roush. But, I wont pick a kit just for the name.

Well, this is where my thoughts and research have taken me as of right now. I hope you guys out there with Whipple, Trilogy, and Roush kits can tell me about your supercharged experiences and help me shed some light on what package to get. Cheers.
I would like to chime in here, the Whipple system IS INTERCOOLED. To my knowledge, nobody has a larger intercooler, heat exchanger and reservoir in their positive displacement system.

As for injectors and power, again, as you can see on the posted dyno sheet, you the power is right in line with our numbers. The stock injectors can make the power with the proper fuel psi. Your not seeing the power numbers because the factory drive shaft speed is very critical and can reach a dangerous point when exceeding 99mph, therefore Whipple and Roush maintain this speed limit. If you wanted to remove the speed limit, you can use a Diablo, SCT or whatever to upload the Whipple tune, modify the speed limiter, and reinstall the tune with new speed limiter. Nobody needs a custom tune. The amount of time, research and knowledge that went into the calibration is certainly not something a dyno shop could do without our cal as the baseline, it's just far too much work and far too many limitations.

To summarize, the Whipple kit makes the power, just ask anybody that has driven one. It's got the most efficient positive displacement supercharger on the market, as well as the largest PD SC on the market. There are no add-ons, you don't need exhaust, you don't need injectors, you don't need pumps, you don't need custom tunes, it does not need to be dyno'd, etc. It's sold by Ford Racing, it's been tested by Whipple and Ford Racing, and neither will sale systems that are going to run lean and burn motors. If they needed injectors, they would get injectors.

Thanks,
Dustin Whipple
 
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Old Mar 18, 2006 | 11:52 AM
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Something else to consider is Whipple's torque numbers. Over 400 ft/lbs that stays high throughout the power curve. You can really feel the torque launch you off the line, and pull you forward at high speeds. The front wheels feel like they want to come off the ground.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2006 | 12:06 PM
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No one has mentioned the Powerworks Magnacharger kit yet. I dyno'd my truck last week at Livernois Motorsports last week at 386hp @ 5200 rpm and 414tq @ 3600 RPM in second gear due to the speed limiter issue.
I've done some digging and found that the Harley F150 driveshaft is rated for 130mph, and I'm thinking of either buying one from the dealer or just having one custom made. My truck is a 4x4 with no carrier 1 piece shaft. I actually expect the HP numbers to come up running in 3rd gear closer to 1:1.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2006 | 12:57 PM
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Gratuitous Eye Candy alert!! The following is producing 360rwhp/415rwtq... We haven't redyno'd it with the larger heat exchanger and headers/high flow exhaust yet...


 

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