Have a few basic supercharger questions...

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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 09:38 PM
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Have a few basic supercharger questions...

I'll be purchasing a supercharger in the next week or so, and have a couple of basic questions.

I've narrowed it down between the Roush Intercooled and the Whipple. I'm leaning towards the Whipple even though it is an extra $500-$600 over what I can get the intercooled Roush for.

My first question is that I am limited to 91 octane gas. Is this good enough to run with a supercharger? I've seen some information leading me to believe I will need 93 octane.

I am looking for a shop to install the supercharger. The one I found is Silverstate motorsports at the Las Vegas Motor Speedway. They have a dyno on hand, so I'm thinking I should not even bother with the Roush or Whipple tune, and instead have the installers program a tune on the dyno. How do they go about this, do I have to buy a flasher or tuner from them?

What should I expect to pay for the install of the supercharger, including 3 gauges that will mount under the radio? The gauges are air/fuel, boost and tranny temp. At this point I'm not concerned about the price of the tuning, just the install of the supercharger and gauges. I realize this is a pretty vague question since prices vary so much, but I'm trying to get a ball park figure.

What other mods should I do with the supercharger? Should I install a larger fuel pump? Spark Plugs? Anything else for a more reliable system?

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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 10:48 PM
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The 91 gas limitation sucks. That reduces several factors for you since like here in ga we can get 93 anywhere, 95 some places if your luicky. It just aids in the reductions of detonation, so you won't be able jack up the boost as far. Look into (if you can afford it) ordering 55 gal drums of 95 or 100 octane, and when you gas up, leave off 2 of 3 gallons and mix in some of your home stuff to achieve a higher rating. I know abunch of idiots who only burn 102 race fuel they order weekly (at the cost of an arm, leg, and nut)

As for installation, I don't know what shop rates are there. My shop gets $75 an hour. Some others nearby get $85, $95, and even up to $125 an hour. Assume a whipple (is it intercooled) to take i dunno, 4 hours to install. at $100 an hour it'd be $400. But I have heard longer before and it is a new truck. I installed my powerdyne in about 4 hours and I didn't even have all the proper tools at home that night (and the bud light blurred vision cuased a delayed finish for corrections the next morning) If its intercooled, plan on an $800 install for fitmment corrections and whatnot addons that always happen.

As for the guages, I do them myself. THey are really simple hookups and can save you a ton of moneu over paying somebody else. THe hardest part on mine was routing the boost gauge line away from the EGR. I also heat sleeved my boost line just in case.

Up the fuel pump definately. WHipple is a high end system, needing all high end components to match (price too, but I mean high end performance) As for plugs, use either a copper based plug a couple degrees cooler, or NGK Iridiums (what I use) gapped at .034-.038 for a better blower burn.

Then, go out and kick the crap out of the first ricer, chebby, dodge, or even F150 that so dares to eff with you!

And oh yeah, thats a badazzzzz truck. Nothing beats a lincoln baby!
 
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 11:24 PM
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Nice truck.... get it from Friendly Ford? Their salesmen are snakes.
Your tuning should be adjustable for the octane, but if not 100 octane is available at few of the Rebel stations, corner of Trop and Jones for me, and you can easily do a little math and mix with their 91, it is Unocal gas which is about the best we have here.
I would not have any work done by a shop in this town that was not recommended to me by a reliable source. period. Sorry I can't help you with that, as I do most of my own work and buy most of my stuff on line.
I will put out some feelers about Silver State to see if anybody I know knows of them, and let you know.
I highly recommend doing some searches on the subject before you buy. LOL
 
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 11:53 PM
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Thanks for the info fellas. I got the truck through Team Ford, but my brother works for a Ford dealership, so I got it on the D-plan, or whatever plan for family of Ford workers. I ran into some problems with the finance department though, they wanted me to pay taxes on the truck, which I didn't have to do. They asked me to come in and re-negotiate the sales price a month after I bought it. I told them to go spit. The truck is registered in Alaska, and we don't have taxes up there.

Now, back to the good stuff. If you have any contacts around town to reliable shops, I'd really appreciate that. This is definately a job that I don't want to try myself. Trop and Jones is just around the corner from where I live, so I'll look into 93 up in Fairbanks. If I can find some there, I'll stock up. Maybe I can get a tuner with a couple of different settings, or should I stick to one?

I'll go ahead and order up the new fuel pump and spark plugs with the supercharger. I've abused the search button here plenty good, but I'll keep at it. Now that I'm closer to getting this supercharger on, I'm getting all kinds of excited.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 11:58 PM
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Nothin beats a blown lincoln man, I am tellin to this!!!
 
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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 11:23 AM
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Installation time on a Lightning swap by a professional which includes manifold, wiring, intercooler, heat exchanger, fuel pump and the rest of the misc stuff will take about 10hrs.

-adam
 
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 11:44 AM
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All we can get for gas here in California is 91 so here is what I do.

With my 2V engine Sal (PSP) Dyno'd tuned my truck at 424 with a 91 octane tune which he will only give 12 degrees timing. Sal said he will go to 16 with 93 and 20 with 95.

So, not wanting to leave anything on the table, I add one quart of Torco to each 20 gallons of 91. This gives me 95+ so I feel comfortable with the 20 degree tune. My track times with the three tunes indicated that the difference between the 12 and the 20 is more than 40 HP. I ran this way for over a year with no issues until I swapped the engine out for my 4V.
 
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 01:05 PM
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The spark plugs on that new 3v are an issue.. But, from what I *heard*, the Mustang 3v engines use a one-step colder plug.. might look into that.. Really isnt many options when it comes to plugs.
 
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