Thanks LE PEW, good to hear from you.

I did read your post in the past where you also brought up this subject.

Right now I have come to the conclusion that I can't get past the sound of the Procharger. I know someone who has one in a Mustang and it sounds like something is broken but I think that is just the way they sound.

I am now considering both the Powerdyne and the Allen kit. As you know there is a BIG difference in the price.

I am not interested in high boost applications, the concept of keeping the 4.6 mileage with more power then the 5.4 intrigues me. Just a little more HP then I have now would be fine. However, the Allen kits do give that ball busting torque and that is very attractive in a truck, especially when towing.

But then I could put two Powerdynes on for the price of the Allen kit.

I will soon be in a position to do one. What to do, what to do.....

 

FYI.......the MagnaCharger (Allen) Eaton M90 roots intercooled kit that Boss Lariat wants to sell is for a 4.6 and it is a used kit, therefore a used kit price.

 

Well if quiet operation is a priority to you the Magna fits the bill in that respect at least. Wittom, RayCee, and Boss Lariat all attest to it's stealth and silence. And you'd eventually try out the infamous Bazzoka Pulley.

RayCee is not too far from me and was gracious enough to offer to take me for a spin in his ride and I may take him up on that offer. Anybody near you with a blower setup on thier truck that you could check out for comparison sake?

BTW I just went to Boss Lariat's gallery and his truck seems strangely familiar to me.

 

iron horse,
I shot Boss Lariat an e-mail but did not get a responce yet. He may have already sold it. I probably will go with a new kit anyway.

LE PEW,
I dont know of anyone in this area who is supercharged.
The Allen kit does meet the needs... this gets harder and harder...

 

one problem is the magnacharger M90 unit is too small to start with.

To give you an idea the M90 is 90cubic inches and was used on the late 3.8 V6 Thunderbird Supercoupes. The M90 is limited to 9psi only, any more then this and the small innercooler cannot keep up and you would also be overspinning the blower thus putting the M90 in out of warranty status. To give you an idea the Lightnings use the M112 a 112 cubic inch blower and the aftermarkets they are buying go up to 140 cubic inches. 90 is just too small for it's own good on anything larger then 4.0 liters.

If you put on an aftermarket pulley that gives the M90 more then 9psi then you do so at your own risk and there will be no warranty provided with anything. But like I said at this point you producing heat that the IC simply is not able to "Efficiently" handle.

The powerdyne can turn fast enough to produce 14psi and will be fine as long as you have the proper fuel upgrades and tune. You can add in an innercooler and this will drop your boost at the manifold to ~ 12psi but you have to remember that boost is just a measure of restriction, it does not mean more power. The air will be cooler and you will gain power from the temperature and from the ability to run more timing.

The ATI can easily support 15psi on a stock bottom motor and includes an innercooler but again the price is up there.

If you buy the magnacharger in my opinion yes you will be getting boost and yes you will be making more power but you are buying a very limited kit. The procharger is an awesome kit but again is pricey for a new comer to boost. The powerdyne to me is a wonderful kit is extremely easy to install and even though it comes 6psi out of box you still pick up a solid 75hp and with the fuel upgrades and tune you can turn it to 12psi and pick up 140ish hp. again all estimates but should be fairly close. For the price of the powerdyne you can do the pulley upgrade, bypass valve, fuel upgrades, innercooler and you can still be cheaper then the procharger and be making just as much power if comparing boost vs. boost. 14psi is plenty and if you push it to that much then anymore you'd just want to build a motor anyway. after that you can do cams, ported heads, intakes and with this your boost will fall to ~8psi (on 14ps pulley) but you'll be making more power at that psi vs. before.

you really gotta consider what the kits offer as a kit and look into it's future upgradeability. the magnacharger kits are great kits if you decide you want to stay at 9psi but thats all they can do safely. the powerdyne is a inexpensive kit (half the price of ATI) and offers great upgradeablity to 14psi while the ATI is the a kit that includes everything and will support i think well over 20+psi like it is. (with pulley upgrade) but still be warrantied at those boost levels.

I'm just trying to keep on open mind on things and provide you with factual information and a viewpoint of a cost effective best bang for buck type of guy. hopefully my information will give you an ability to make a logical decision.

 

Bill,

If you decide to piece together an intercooler for a powerdyne, I have a discharge pipe from blower head to intercooler(fits ATI 2 core) that I have been trying to give to Crash. If you go that route I'll check with Crash to make sure he doesn't need it, and if not your welcome to it. This was an ATI tube but Ron had it modified for his powerdyne before I bought the intercooler from him. Sorry to hear that you couldn't make the other blower work. I was pulling for ya'.

Rick

 

Rick,
I could make it work but it was not worth the money. There comes a time when you just have to quit feeding a money pit or you end up paying the same price as an already worked out kit. Right now I can probably break even on my investment.

Something else came up anyway that allowed me to go for a kit.

I'll let you know about the pipe. For right now I am still deciding which kit.

How is your ATI comming along?

One day for sure I plan to shake your hand, drink a beer and check out your truck. I'm planning a cross country next summer and it includes a trip to Houston...

 

I understand the money pit analogy. If I were to win a lottery, I would probably want to start dumping it immediately into my truck.LOL. The ATI is almost ready to go on. I just need to acquire a few nuts and bolts (literally) and work out my tuning options with Crash and Skid, as I believe they are about to start burning chips for those of us interested. I know Talley is trying to get a dyno day up but I'm not sure I'll have all the cash by then. I'm glad things are progressing for you even if you hit a slight detour. If you need the tube just let me know. Anytime you are traveling through town, feel free to show up on my doorstep. I think my wife might need about 30 minutes warning in case she wants to straighten up the living room.LOL.

Rick

 

I know this is old, but I have a powerdyne on my 01 5.4 4X4 supercrew. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. I am almost to the point of taking it off and selling it so I can junkyard turbo my mustang.

 

After careful consideration of my needs, I am installing a Powerdyne at 6lbs boost.

I also decided to go with an upgraded fuel pump, 42lb injectors and a Lightning 90mm MAF. I decided on the upgrades so I can be sure I have a proper tune. I just don't like the thought of tricking my injectors into flowing more with an FMU. Also that will probably make it run rich at WOT and if the pressure line comes off the FMU it will drastically lean out and that can cost me an engine. I don't see these upgrades as getting me closer to the cost of other kit selections since they also do not come with upgraded injectors, MAF and custom programing. These upgrades would have been needed no matter what the kit.

Mike Troyer at Troyer Performance will be supplying the parts as well as the 4 program custom chip. He has programs already written for this set up and can custom tune the truck sight unseen.

The Powerdyne comes with a 2 year warrantee so I don't see quality as an issue.

I will post my thoughts after getting this on and working. Anyone who has read my posts in the past knows I am honest about what I think about a product, even if I made a mistake in my selection.

 

I have 2001 supercrew 2wd 4.6 auto with 355 ratio. I have a powerdine supercharger with a 2.7 9# pulley 42# injectors 255# fuel pump 90mm ford mas air troyer electric fan kit factory tech valve body and 3 program 9100 superchip tune by Mike Troyer. I am very pleased with this set up. It was a piece of crap until mike did the tune and put it in the right direction. I am in the process of installing an air to water intercooler at this time. This truck is my daily driver. Mike made the normal driving performance better than ford could ever think about. Fuel economy is excellant. my 1/4 mile performance went from a stock 18.15 at77.8mph to a consistant 14.4 at 93.6mph. Truck is pefict in every way. For the money and ease of instalation I am very happy with all that Mike Troyer has done for me.

 

Thanks chucks bp, thats exactly what I needed to hear right now...
I can't wait

If you don't mind, come back and post your modification for the water to air intercooler when you get it installed.

 

N20STANG, can you elaborate a little? Why wouldn't you recommend it?

BTW, thanks to WLF for this thread. I learned a lot.

 

I've got the Powerdyne with the 2.70" (11 psi car/ 9 psi truck) and a 3" Magnaflow catback. I'm only getting 5 psi of boost and when I called Powerdyne they said it's the altitude I'm at. I'm in SLC which is admittingly 2 psi lower than sea level which should give me 7 psi (9 psi - 2 psi for altitude). They also recommended a custom tune which I don't have but I don't know how much that would help. I wish someone already had a tune for my setup so I wouldn't have to get a custom one.

 

check for belt slipage. powerdyne seems to have a problem with proper belt sizing. Get a gator backbelt in the proper length and tighten it so when you turn the belt on the non idler or lower side you can only turn it a quarter turn. If you plunk it like a guitar string it will sound a note, that belt has to be tight. also check alignment of idler pully, you may have to shim the idler hpe this helps and good luck. powerdyne tech is not much help. They have a thats normal answer for everything.