Negative Supercharging

Old May 16, 2003 | 06:47 PM
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Question Negative Supercharging

I was cruising through the SEMA website when I ran across a "hot product" called negative supercharging. Their website link is: www.impulseengine.com. This is the first time I've heard of this. The website seems kind of cheesy and they don't have any actual pictures of their products, so I'm not sure how serious to take them. Has anyone seen this before? They make some serious claims.
 
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Old May 16, 2003 | 06:54 PM
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link does not work
 
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Old May 16, 2003 | 07:06 PM
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this link should work

Sorry, I was typing with my toes again. Must have got a cramp in the middle. Try: www.impulsengine.com.
 
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Old May 16, 2003 | 07:10 PM
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What the.......

That isn't working either. If you type the URL directly onto your address line it works. Man, what a lot of trouble............. My apologies to all.
 
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Old May 17, 2003 | 02:22 AM
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http://www.impulsengine.com/
 
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Old May 17, 2003 | 11:16 AM
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Thanks for the help on the link, Beastie. I'm kind of "computer stoopid".
 
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Old May 17, 2003 | 02:01 PM
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No problem, all you were doing was putting a period (.) right after .com and that causes it to not work.
 
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Old May 19, 2003 | 09:28 AM
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Looks like a cartoon. No pictures of the actual product seems fishy. That and t heir abilty to tyoe a lot and say almost nothing concrete.

The "system" means replace just about everything
The Negative Supercharging Kit is made up of 7 major hi-tech parts which consist of the Impulse:

1) Thermocharger
2) Tri-Y Header
3) Camshaft
4) Cylinder Heads 5) Intake Manifold
6) Valve Timing
7) Distributor Advance Curve

The Negative Supercharging Kit also comes with up to 18 major hi-performance parts which are required to work with this new process and make the engine and transmission reliable with the massive torque produced by Negative Supercharging

Positive Valve Stem Seals
Valve Spring Retainers
Single Valve Springs
Valve Stem Collets
Hi-Volume Oil Pump
Oil Pump Shaft
Oil Pump Shaft Bushing
Oil Sump Baffle Plate
Auto Trans Shift Kit
Coolant Flow Restrictor
Double Roller Timing Chain Set
Camshaft Lifters
Cam Lube
Header Bolts
Rocker Shaft Bolts
Locking Engine Mount Plates
VC Breather Elbow, Grommet, Hose
Engine Gasket Set
Spark Plugs
Negative Supercharging improves fuel economy by up to 30% because it:

1. Produces a massive increase in Torque over a low and wide rpm range*

2. Produces a powerful vacuum which requires less throttle to produce faster acceleration

3. Increases the pumping efficiency of the engine using "Negative Boost"

4. Vapourises more of the liquid fuel into a gas using "Hot Air Induction"

The Negative Supercharging Kit has the potential to pay for itself over 4-7 years from the improvement in fuel economy. However, the maximum improvement in fuel economy will depend on the weight of the vehicle and how carefully it is driven.

* It is a scientific fact that the more Torque the engine produces at low rpm the LESS fuel it requires but the more peak Horsepower the engine produces at high rpm the MORE fuel it requires. This is the reason low rpm torque engines produce better fuel economy than high rpm horsepower engines
You better get a performance increase if you replace all that ....
 
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Old May 19, 2003 | 09:10 PM
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I know what yer sayin. I read every word twice and am still kinda clueless. Souns like it was written by a lawyer who is hiding something. I haven't heard anything about this ANYWHERE before and now SEMA is spotlighting it as a "Hot New Product". I'm definitely detecting the odorifous essence of a carp.
 
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Old May 20, 2003 | 02:20 PM
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What a load of s... I think that has got to be the funniest con I have ever seen. If any of their pictures are accurate for their product then you will have a torque loaded motor with the cost of building another motor. They are giving you heads (probably smaller ports for increased torque), Intake (did you see the length of the runners, that will produce torque), a cam (RV, I am defininitely sure of) and all the little parts that go with it. This setup may increase torque but you won't be able to get past 4,000 rpm's. It will be a dog around 3,000 rpm's because it won't be able to breath fast enough because of the cam. All the parts listed are typical when it comes to building torque in a motor but most people want there car to rev to where it would stock so they can merge with freeway traffic and take on the occasional punk who thinks their rice burner is souped up because they put a coffee can on the back of it. WOW, what a con, I hope no one bites into that deal. Your better off just going to your local perfromance shop and buying that stuff and picking up your HP as well as your torque. If you want nice torque and mileage just go buy the rv cam and enjoy about one mpg better than what you get now. I know, my dad put one in his 67 mustang with a 390 and he picked up one mpg, but when he topped out on the floor board at 96 mph and a datsun 280Z went around him, guess what got pulled the next weekend. In went a crane cam spec to a 428CJ. We just went to a show at the end of April and he pulled 17 going and 19 coming home going up hill to the high desert (avg. spd. 80). Go figure!
I also have a 400hp 400M with about 400lbft torque in a 54 ford f100. It gets 10 in the city and 12.5 on the freeway at 80mph. My dad's old 73 f100 struggled to get 8 in the city and 12.5 on the road (at 70mph) with a 360FE and half the power.
I'll stick to the performance side of things, thank you.
Hope this helps you all to understand that increasing perfromance does help with the mileage and the torque.
Thiese people are just rebuilding your motor starting with your shortblock. I don't think it is worth it.

Brian
 
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Old May 20, 2003 | 11:06 PM
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I like the idea of hot air induction with cold water temp! Any mechanical engineer can tell you this is opposite of what you need to make power.

The Tri-Y is a good header design for low end power at the expense of high end, but it's not revolutionary in any way.

Ian
 
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Old May 21, 2003 | 10:08 AM
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It certainly sounds like "smoke and mirrors" but I remember a magazine article, some years ago, by Smoky Yunick in which he outlined a superheated air, turbocharger system that he had dyno tested and had proof that it worked.
 
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Old May 23, 2003 | 07:36 AM
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negative supercharger....

This is interesting. Though the concept is wacky, it gives me some ideas in fact. I wonder if F150 forum could have a special closed forum for certain member to create and patent some products like these....
 
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Old May 23, 2003 | 07:48 AM
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super heated air is no no

heated air has reduced density and helps facilitate wear on metal in pistons. Super densed super compressed frozen air would be the way to go. The higher the difference in temperature between intake and exhaust, the more power out.


Plenty of neat stuff we can do with these objectives in mind.
 
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Old May 23, 2003 | 09:11 AM
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DUUUDE......TORQUE MONSTER!!!!!
 
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