Do you want me to quote the posts where you offer parts or services to folks here and on other boards ?
You seem to believe the things you hear about me why cant I do the same ?

 

Quotes and services? Post it up Doug.... LMAO

 

Ok, Thank You Jim, for a clear, consise, unambiguous answer. No I sure wouldn't imagine chips certainly would do this either.

Well Jim, here is a fair attempt at answering my question and I thank you for it. "The ECM will try to adjust A/F ratios." I am going to take this at face value despite my serious reservations. I personally wouldn't try a hardware change without a new dyno pull and then a new reflash or chip, but a few quick dyno pulls on a number of these installations should clear up how well this scenario works. As far as the wise crack on reading before hitting the reply button so quickly, how many posts did youhave in that 19 page missive and this one?

Thanks again,

Douglas

 

Since someone mentioned it, I never said a chip was better than a reflash, or that a reflash was bad, or anything related to it. What I did was reply to some pretty harsh and false things being said about chips, chip tuners, and chip manufactureres, while the members of team reflash were pitching their gig. Both methods have pros and cons.

And nobody has still answered the question I posted in the first thread. Why would anyone WANT adaptive WOT strategy? Adaptive means the PCM learns. Learning takes time. If this new programming works like the team reflash members are explaining, that means the PCM will make adaptive changes at WOT to learn your new mods. WHY WOULD YOU WANT THAT? The first time you go WOT, your tune is still off until the PCM learns the correction. Who's to say the first WOT blast doesn't send a rod through the block? And what if you are bracket racing? Show me one bracket racer that wants the tune to change every pass.

And BTW, ford DOES use adaptive WOT strategy in some cars. The 03 Cobra has it stock. That's why when you put a pulley on an 03 Cobra with no chip, the WOT A/F skyrockets to 15:1. Even if what is being claimed IS true, I sure as heck don't want that in MY truck.

Of course this debate will go forever, with both sides set in there ways, so it's pretty much pointless at this point until some real world proof is shown as to how well this new technology works (and proof is not someone saying they got a BOP reflash and their truck runs great).

 

I've been following this for some time, and even debating at one point, but the basic premise is beginning to wavier somewhat.

I'm referring to on-line conversations I've had with both Jmimac351 and onefastlride concerning the adaptive capabilities of the reflash process presently being done by Mark's "friend".

The above statement by **** is beyond what has been agreed to as the limiting paramaters of the reflash process.

I was under the impression that the process could adapt to a point, but COULD NOT adapt to large doses of nitrous, or excessive boost levels installed post reflash.

My question is, which is it? Can I send my stock pcm to Mark without disclosing my upcoming mods, and then sucessfully bolt on an additional 6-8 lbs. of boost and wash it down with a 75-100 shot of giggle gas?

Not trying to fire anyone up, just wanting some clarification. I've not dropped on either side of the fence on this technology yet, but I am reading with interest and an open mind.

I must admit though, the debate on this issue is much more civil on the svtperformance.com forum.......................more learned, less name calling.

 

Very wordy Thor, but it looks accurate. But NOTHING here explains WHY a reflash is beneficial.

Ahhhh, person here,
Simple, four way chip with street@91 octane, race@91 octane, race @100octane, race@100octance &150 shot nitrous. How many ECM's would I need to have on hand to duplicate this performance?


Thor, perhaps a more appropriate analogy is the Star Wars missle defense project. It was over-hyper, announced too soon and has probably set back the real development of space based lasers and defense technology for a decade.

My humble advice, if I were a reflash advocate, get some (more than one) of these reflashed vehicles in service, get some good feedback, THEN come on the board to tout it's performance.

Three last points:

1) Before you lump me into some anti-reflash bashers cabal, realize I am planning on installing a new dyno in October and have invited **** to come up and use it for reflash testing if he wants.

2) This thread was titled an '03 Cobra reflash, (I love Cobras but this is an F150 board)

3) When Nate first opened his original reflash thread some 10 days and 29 pages ago, his brief post said he was sending his ECM in for reflashing and asking us what we thought. Within 1 page Nate and a handful of others were experts on reflashing and claiming they were being slandered by the dark powers.
I really wish Nate had waited until he and a few others had their reflashes and then just shared their experience. Is it too late to close Pandora's box?

 

Well after reading all of the posts about the re-flash I have come to the conclusion that this new product/tuning strategy is not for everyone. There will be those who use it and those who don’t. There will be those who are against it because of a lack of understanding of its abilities and those who are for it without a full understanding of its abilities. It is no different than preferring a JDM chip, JLP chip, or PSP chip. It merely provides us as enthusiasts an additional option when modifying our trucks. I have talked extensively with NateTurn2 and with Mark at BOP, based on the modifications that I expect to do to my truck this is the only tuning option that I would consider. For me it has been a choice of a traditional chip and no warranty or a re-flash and a warranty. I would like to keep my warranty. Time and testing is the only way to truly test this particular re-flash source. Steeda, Roush, and Saleen have already proven that re-flashing does work.

And as for those who want dyno sheets, multiple vehicles reproducing the same results, long term beta testing, ect. I find it funny that these same requirements are not asked of other new products that vendors put out. Although I am also interested in this type information on this product, I am interested in this type of information on all new products. Just because it did not come from the “big 3 tuners” does not mean that it is not a good alternative.

I really wish the tuner hoes had waited until Nate and a few others had their re-flashes and then shared their experience before they post that it will not work. Is it too late to close Pandora's box?

 

Here's 1:

http://www.corral.net/forums/showthr...38#post2148038

What's up with your Avatar there too?



Let's not forget the recent posts in the thread from NLOC:

http://www.nloc.net/forum/showthread...threadid=46609

 

Oh yes, im so guilty. Im an undercover Vendor, stealing all the business from the supporting vendors on all of the Lightning Sites and now im stealing away the mustang crowd. You got me JJ.. You really do.

Call Diablo and ask them about **** Engineering. Im also a distributor for Roush's Powertrain Team and provide reflashes. Ill beat anyones prices too

JJ, how many names do you have to hide behind anyways?

BTW. I believe Diablo provides the best hardware and software when it comes to chips. They are superior to both Autologic and Superchips. That why i have a devil avatar.

But hell, if you guys like, yo can send me your chips and ill break out the hex editor and goto work on them for you. My toons are theeee best you've seen.

 

Saved for posterity ....

 

As far as bracket racing goes, wouldn't the only changes in the adaptive strategy be applied according to your environment (ie weather, baro pressure, etc.)? Thus, unless these variables in your surroundings change, wouldn't the PCM programming under the reflash remain relatively consistent?

Also, I think one thing you guys are forgetting is that chips can still be used in conjunction with PCM reflashes if need be. For instance, if you prefer a race gas program for a 150 shot and your PCM is only reflashed for a street program with a 50 shot, you can slap a chip on with whatever tune you like. You're not really *stuck* with a certain reflash and you can use multi-program chips if you like for whatever MAJOR changes you want to make at the track.

Doug, let's keep this ontrack no?

 

Why is Diablo better than Autologic or Superchips? Sorry guy's, I had to ask. Skip

 

Diablochips can access more banks than the Autologic.

 

You would be amazed at the amount of things we agree on.

UNFAMILIAR TO THE AVERAGE AMERICAN

 

Ill be at the Race in Norwalk Next weekend - If you can make it - Introduce yourself- We'll compare notes...

Doug