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Chris,
Interesting theory. I've wondered about the mass air/speed density trucks as well. When I get a chance I'll check it out on my truck. Should be easy enough to check out the wire colors at the injectors. Then again it should be easy to pull off my e-brake assembly to check out my computer code.
In a few days, my little girl turns three. Maybe I'll get her a couple of tools and let her tackle it while I wash the beast.....
Interesting theory. I've wondered about the mass air/speed density trucks as well. When I get a chance I'll check it out on my truck. Should be easy enough to check out the wire colors at the injectors. Then again it should be easy to pull off my e-brake assembly to check out my computer code.
In a few days, my little girl turns three. Maybe I'll get her a couple of tools and let her tackle it while I wash the beast.....
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Izzy-
Relax, man. As far as I'm concerned, you may have 500 hp, okay? I'm just telling you what the "real" numbers are supposed to be. Bottom line: who cares? Numbers are for accountants. It's performance and results that really count.
Anyone with a Jap 4cyl. who claims 200 hp or more-
Sure buddy. Drop that engine in a 6000 pound truck, and let's race for pinks.
You name the place.
I'll be there.
With a tow truck (to cart your, I mean my, new truck home).
Take care,
-Chris
Relax, man. As far as I'm concerned, you may have 500 hp, okay? I'm just telling you what the "real" numbers are supposed to be. Bottom line: who cares? Numbers are for accountants. It's performance and results that really count.
Anyone with a Jap 4cyl. who claims 200 hp or more-
Sure buddy. Drop that engine in a 6000 pound truck, and let's race for pinks.
You name the place.
I'll be there.
With a tow truck (to cart your, I mean my, new truck home).
Take care,
-Chris
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Chris, I am cool !!! No fire under my collar. I am just trying to figure out what I have for a base line HP figure, that is all. From some of the calculations that we have done it seems as though I have a base of 205 HP for starters. Yes, this could be wrong but that is what I am trying to figure out. If I have a base HP of 185 or 190 HP then my modifications are making some serious increases to my truck compared to the base HP of 205 HP. That is what I am really trying to figure out. I try to guestimate what each mod has done for the truck but unfortunately, I didn't meet Neal early enough to get a stock run at the track. I can only go by what I am getting for times after each mod and my weight. Technically, they say the K&N FIPK is suppose to give me 10 HP, we underestimate it to 5 HP due to the fact that I have almost 200,000 kms on the motor. Same with the exhaust, chip and soon to be headers. Just trying to get quality estimates for HP figures. 
Have Fun & Keep on Truckin'
Dean
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Dean
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izzy
from what i understand each mod is going to gain you about a 1% HP increase . also from a post chris had made before about dyno'n two cars exactly the same when he was in school gave different results . so what ford says an estimated HP of 185 or 205 . it could be 200 and 220 for all we know? i know my truck can haul *** and thats all that matters to me . i also know i raced a dodge with a 360 in it and he had to give it everything he had to take me , not bad for a 302 i love my truck . i wouldn't trade it now for anyother truck out there unless it was another pre 97 ford . but i would have to seriously think that over . when it wasn't running good i would have traded it in a heartbeat though ...lol..i would guestimate with your mods you are sitting at least around 220 .
from what i understand each mod is going to gain you about a 1% HP increase . also from a post chris had made before about dyno'n two cars exactly the same when he was in school gave different results . so what ford says an estimated HP of 185 or 205 . it could be 200 and 220 for all we know? i know my truck can haul *** and thats all that matters to me . i also know i raced a dodge with a 360 in it and he had to give it everything he had to take me , not bad for a 302
i love my truck . i wouldn't trade it now for anyother truck out there unless it was another pre 97 ford . but i would have to seriously think that over . when it wasn't running good i would have traded it in a heartbeat though ...lol..i would guestimate with your mods you are sitting at least around 220 .
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Macyver,
I think you might be underestimating the power increases of the mods. 1% of 200 hp is only 2 hp. For superchips, they advertise a 10% hp gain, which would be around 20 hp. For K&N FIPK, it's supposed to be around 5%, which would be roughly 10 hp. For exhaust systems, it is supposed to be 5-10% depending on how comprehensive the system is.
IzzyEddy,
There is a slight flaw in your reasoning with your mod. power calculations, or at least imo. Your claiming that because you have close to 200,000 km on your engine, your mods. aren't as effective, therefore you're adding roughly half of the advertised hp gain from each of your mods. to your base of 205 hp. But, if you're saying that your tired engine is holding your mods. back, then you shouldn't be adding this to a base of 205 hp, it would be more like a base of 180 hp or so. You should be paying more attention to the slight decline in your engine's power, and then taking 10% of the adjusted figure (ie 10% of 205 hp would be 20-21, so if your engine is running @ 180 hp for instance stock, 10% of 180 would still be a gain of 18 hp, not 10.) Of course there's no way to know for sure what the true baseline hp of your engine is right now, but all that really matters is how much rwhp you are producing, which can be discovered by visiting your nearest dyno machine. And, like PKRWUD said, it doesn't matter how much hp you have, all that matters is what it can do for you. If you tow, then as long as the mods. have helped out your towing situation, then great. If you want better acceleration, then all that matters is your 0-60, (or 0-80, 30-60, etc.) times. Or if you like to race, all that matters is your et slips and trap speeds.
I think you might be underestimating the power increases of the mods. 1% of 200 hp is only 2 hp. For superchips, they advertise a 10% hp gain, which would be around 20 hp. For K&N FIPK, it's supposed to be around 5%, which would be roughly 10 hp. For exhaust systems, it is supposed to be 5-10% depending on how comprehensive the system is.
IzzyEddy,
There is a slight flaw in your reasoning with your mod. power calculations, or at least imo. Your claiming that because you have close to 200,000 km on your engine, your mods. aren't as effective, therefore you're adding roughly half of the advertised hp gain from each of your mods. to your base of 205 hp. But, if you're saying that your tired engine is holding your mods. back, then you shouldn't be adding this to a base of 205 hp, it would be more like a base of 180 hp or so. You should be paying more attention to the slight decline in your engine's power, and then taking 10% of the adjusted figure (ie 10% of 205 hp would be 20-21, so if your engine is running @ 180 hp for instance stock, 10% of 180 would still be a gain of 18 hp, not 10.) Of course there's no way to know for sure what the true baseline hp of your engine is right now, but all that really matters is how much rwhp you are producing, which can be discovered by visiting your nearest dyno machine. And, like PKRWUD said, it doesn't matter how much hp you have, all that matters is what it can do for you. If you tow, then as long as the mods. have helped out your towing situation, then great. If you want better acceleration, then all that matters is your 0-60, (or 0-80, 30-60, etc.) times. Or if you like to race, all that matters is your et slips and trap speeds.
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TF, true. Because of different engines, quality, abuse or whatever. Neal and I generally try to down grade the actual increase of each modification because we don't have the exact conditions that the companies do when they measure for the performance of the equipment. I don't believe that my 200,000 kms on my 302 has hurt it at all, I change my oil every 5000 kms, tranny & rear end oil every 100,000 kms and I run Sunoco 94 all of the time for gas. Performance wise, I am dealing with a 5000 lbs, 20 ft boat and it doesn't move well !!! That is for sure. Neal had mentioned about dropping my tire height to see if I can get a better rear ratio at the drag strip because I am finishing the quarter at the top of 2nd gear which is not good. Hopefully, with shorter tires, I can get my rear end from a 3.55 to a 4.10 or close to see if I can get into my 3rd gear before the end of the quarter. And I am hoping that my headers can help too with some more flow on the exhaust side of the motor.
Have Fun & Keep on Truckin'
Dean
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sorry i was thinking 10% and been writing 1% ......lol
thats what i was figuring . 10% of 185HP = 18 HP in my case x 2 mods (exhaust and filter ) = approx 30 HP . so guesstimated 215 HP for me ?
thats what i was figuring . 10% of 185HP = 18 HP in my case x 2 mods (exhaust and filter ) = approx 30 HP . so guesstimated 215 HP for me ?
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just in case anyone is interested you can e mail ford for info on your truck .
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owner Connection" <cacowner@customersupportctr.com>
To: <macgyver@chatrock.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:12 AM
Subject: Vehicle Information
Dear Ray,
Thank you for your patience as we have researched your recent inquiry.
This is a follow-up message, as we have further information in regards
to this matter that we wish to apprise you of.
In an effort to assist you, we have researched your inquiry and
discovered the following specifications pertaining to the 5.0L engine
installed in the 1990 Ford F-150 with Vehicle Identification Number
(VIN) 1FTDF15N3LNB36706:
Bore & Stroke = 4.00 x 3.00
Horsepower = 185 @ 3800
Torque = 270 @ 2400
Compression Ratio = 9.0:1
We hope this information is of assistance to you.
Please let us know if the information we provided has met your
expectations. If we have not, please feel free to write us back and
advise how we may be of further assistance to you.
Our goal is for you to enjoy the numerous Ford and Lincoln-Mercury
products and services for many years.
At Ford Motor Company, we consider the satisfaction of our customers as
one of our most important objectives. If you have any other inquiries
or concerns, please feel free to contact us and we will be happy to
address them.
Thank you for contacting Ford Motor Company.
Sincerely,
Lenica
Ford Motor Company
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Vehicle Parts Accessories Questions
Email_brand value: forddiv
Prefix: Mr
FirstName: Ray
MiddleInitial:
VIN: 1FTDF15N3LNB36706
Odometer reading: 137,000
Comments/Inquiry: I would like info on the 5.0 l engine installed in my
truck . H.P. output , Tourque ratings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owner Connection" <cacowner@customersupportctr.com>
To: <macgyver@chatrock.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:12 AM
Subject: Vehicle Information
Dear Ray,
Thank you for your patience as we have researched your recent inquiry.
This is a follow-up message, as we have further information in regards
to this matter that we wish to apprise you of.
In an effort to assist you, we have researched your inquiry and
discovered the following specifications pertaining to the 5.0L engine
installed in the 1990 Ford F-150 with Vehicle Identification Number
(VIN) 1FTDF15N3LNB36706:
Bore & Stroke = 4.00 x 3.00
Horsepower = 185 @ 3800
Torque = 270 @ 2400
Compression Ratio = 9.0:1
We hope this information is of assistance to you.
Please let us know if the information we provided has met your
expectations. If we have not, please feel free to write us back and
advise how we may be of further assistance to you.
Our goal is for you to enjoy the numerous Ford and Lincoln-Mercury
products and services for many years.
At Ford Motor Company, we consider the satisfaction of our customers as
one of our most important objectives. If you have any other inquiries
or concerns, please feel free to contact us and we will be happy to
address them.
Thank you for contacting Ford Motor Company.
Sincerely,
Lenica
Ford Motor Company
Customer Relationship Center
Vehicle Parts Accessories Questions
Email_brand value: forddiv
Prefix: Mr
FirstName: Ray
MiddleInitial:
VIN: 1FTDF15N3LNB36706
Odometer reading: 137,000
Comments/Inquiry: I would like info on the 5.0 l engine installed in my
truck . H.P. output , Tourque ratings.
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Macgyver, took your advise and this is what they came up with. Even though I really didn't like the HP figure, 
I guess that I have to live with it.
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Mr. Dean
Thank you for your message of 04/08/02 regarding your 1994 Ford F-150. We appreciate the time you have taken to write us requesting information on your vehicle's horse power (HP) and torque ratings.
According to our Research Department, your vehicle's HP is 190 HP @ 3800 revolutions per minute (RPM), the torque is 285 lb.-ft. @ 2400 RPM and transmission code 44U is AODE.
We hope the above information proves useful.
Thank you for being a member of the Ford Family. We appreciate your business. The satisfaction of our customers is one of our most important objectives.
If you have any other inquiries or concerns, please feel free to contact us and we will be happy to address them.
Thank you for contacting Ford of Canada.
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Title: Mr.
First Name: Dean
Last Name:
Address:
City: Windsor
State: ON
ZIP:
EMail Address: izzysterling@canada.com
Vehicle Owner: Yes
Telephone Number:
Model Year: 1994
Brand: Ford
Model: F-150
VIN Number: 1FTEX15N3RKA26637
Mileage: 195,100 kms
Category of Query/Concern: Vehicle Operation and Measurements
Site Escalating From: ford
Description of Issue/Concern: I would like information on the 5.0L
engine installed in my truck, H.P. output, Torque ratings, etc? Does the Transmission code "u" on my truck stand for the 4R70W transmission or is it another one (4R100,etc.)? It is an automatic Overdrive 4 speed transmission as far as I know. I appreciate your response and time taken.
Regards, Dean
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So Kidd, looks like we only have 190 HP to start with.
Have Fun & Keep on Truckin'
Dean
I guess that I have to live with it.----------------------------------------------
Mr. Dean
Thank you for your message of 04/08/02 regarding your 1994 Ford F-150. We appreciate the time you have taken to write us requesting information on your vehicle's horse power (HP) and torque ratings.
According to our Research Department, your vehicle's HP is 190 HP @ 3800 revolutions per minute (RPM), the torque is 285 lb.-ft. @ 2400 RPM and transmission code 44U is AODE.
We hope the above information proves useful.
Thank you for being a member of the Ford Family. We appreciate your business. The satisfaction of our customers is one of our most important objectives.
If you have any other inquiries or concerns, please feel free to contact us and we will be happy to address them.
Thank you for contacting Ford of Canada.
Sincerely,
Cheryl
Ford Motor Company of Canada Ltd.
Customer Relationship Centre
Original Message Follows:
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Title: Mr.
First Name: Dean
Last Name:
Address:
City: Windsor
State: ON
ZIP:
EMail Address: izzysterling@canada.com
Vehicle Owner: Yes
Telephone Number:
Model Year: 1994
Brand: Ford
Model: F-150
VIN Number: 1FTEX15N3RKA26637
Mileage: 195,100 kms
Category of Query/Concern: Vehicle Operation and Measurements
Site Escalating From: ford
Description of Issue/Concern: I would like information on the 5.0L
engine installed in my truck, H.P. output, Torque ratings, etc? Does the Transmission code "u" on my truck stand for the 4R70W transmission or is it another one (4R100,etc.)? It is an automatic Overdrive 4 speed transmission as far as I know. I appreciate your response and time taken.
Regards, Dean
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So Kidd, looks like we only have 190 HP to start with.
Have Fun & Keep on Truckin'
Dean
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Originally posted by IzzyEddy
According to our Research Department, your vehicle's HP is 190 HP @ 3800 revolutions per minute (RPM), the torque is 285 lb.-ft. @ 2400 RPM and transmission code 44U is AODE.
Thank you for contacting Ford of Canada.
According to our Research Department, your vehicle's HP is 190 HP @ 3800 revolutions per minute (RPM), the torque is 285 lb.-ft. @ 2400 RPM and transmission code 44U is AODE.
Thank you for contacting Ford of Canada.
Work in some kind of exchange rate there, and you may have 245 hp!
Take care,
-Chris
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Originally posted by PKRWUD
So, is that American or Canadian?
Work in some kind of exchange rate there, and you may have 245 hp!
Take care,
-Chris
So, is that American or Canadian?
Work in some kind of exchange rate there, and you may have 245 hp!
Take care,
-Chris
Chris,
You have it backwards! 190 HP Canadian is only like 30 or 40 Amercian HP!
Dean,
Is your truck mass air or SD? At least the torque # went up! I should send in a see what info I get from Ford....
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Macgyver & TF No it is no big deal but it does explain some stuff though. 
With my ACTUAL starting HP figure being lower, it explains why the truck has not responded as much as we had figured with the mods that I have done. Neal expected me to be a little fast that I was after the last mod of the Superchip.
PKRWUD If my information is correct, I beleive the truck was built in Kansas. If so, then I would take the 190 HP and put an exchange rate of about 1.6 on it. Brings me up to 304 HP !!! LOL !!!!! OR if it was a Canadian figure first then it would drop down to about 119 HP, which would truly SUCK !!!!!
Signmaster The truck is mass air and yes it is good that the TQ figure went up since I am trying to move a 5000 lbs brick !!! LOL !!!!!
Have Fun & Keep on Truckin'
Dean
With my ACTUAL starting HP figure being lower, it explains why the truck has not responded as much as we had figured with the mods that I have done. Neal expected me to be a little fast that I was after the last mod of the Superchip.PKRWUD If my information is correct, I beleive the truck was built in Kansas. If so, then I would take the 190 HP and put an exchange rate of about 1.6 on it. Brings me up to 304 HP !!! LOL !!!!!
OR if it was a Canadian figure first then it would drop down to about 119 HP, which would truly SUCK !!!!!Signmaster The truck is mass air and yes it is good that the TQ figure went up since I am trying to move a 5000 lbs brick !!! LOL !!!!!
Have Fun & Keep on Truckin'
Dean