No Oil Pressure at Idle - Rough knocking - Total Loss?
#16
I don't understand the advice to not use a high volume pump. It supposedly increases low rpm oil pressure because it pumps more oil without increasing higher rpm pressure because the relief spring relieves at the same pressure as a standard oil pump. Sounds to me a HV pump is exactly what you need. Replacing the pump with a standard pump may not do anything to increase the oil pressure at idle.
#17
I don't understand the advice to not use a high volume pump
Usually if the pan comes off, it's real easy to rebuild the lower end of the engine. It's just a matter of pulling out the old and replacing parts. So installing a new lower end is just a matter of cost and labor, not any major extra work. But in doing this, you'll end up with a highly likely oil burning engine as the oil volume, not pressure, is more than tired rings can handle. Ever have some one do a valve job on a high mileage engine? And then you have issues all of sudden with oil being pumped out of the PCV? A high volume pump is like that on an engine having 100,000 miles on the clock. What fixes one problem causes another problem.
High volume oil pumps are good for most rebuilds but they can cause more problems than they are worth on any engine with 100,000 miles on the clock.
#18
Does putting the truck on a lift make the oil pump job significantly simpler?
Because you don't have a ton of money in this truck, this is a great platform to learn how to do mechanical work. It's relatively simple, for the most part easy to work on, simple enough to learn by, and there's a buttload of parts available, new and used, that are not expensive.
#19
Update: I’ve ordered both the high volume and standard volume Melling oil pumps. I’m now torn on which to install but leaning towards standard as many of the arguments above just make sense and I don’t want to create an oil burning machine
Also I did a compression test and it looks great. Pulled the plugs and they also look good. Pulled the accelerator cable as it is shot. Ordered cap, rotor, plugs and wires. My next step is oil pressure gauge so I can confirm oil pressure readings. I don’t know how to do that but I’ll look it up. At this point I’m not convinced the shop I took it to even checked oil pressure. Yesterday when starting and listening to the engine and honestly sounds pretty good.....so there is definitely hope here!
Also I did a compression test and it looks great. Pulled the plugs and they also look good. Pulled the accelerator cable as it is shot. Ordered cap, rotor, plugs and wires. My next step is oil pressure gauge so I can confirm oil pressure readings. I don’t know how to do that but I’ll look it up. At this point I’m not convinced the shop I took it to even checked oil pressure. Yesterday when starting and listening to the engine and honestly sounds pretty good.....so there is definitely hope here!
#21
Quite simple if you think about it. It would be about the same thing as replacing all of the main and rod bearings but not replace the rings. Because the bearings are now tight, a lot of oil is being sprayed on the cylinder walls and bottoms of the piston. New rings will have sufficient tension to wipe the oil from the cylinder walls. Old rings with over 100,000 miles on them most likely won't have the tension left in them due to wear in sufficient amounts to wipe all of the oil from the cylinders. You will have built an oil burner. The high volume pump in a worn engine is the same thing. Because of the volume of oil, you'll have oil being sprayed in large volumes on the cylinder walls and rings most likely with not near enough tension to wipe it.
Usually if the pan comes off, it's real easy to rebuild the lower end of the engine. It's just a matter of pulling out the old and replacing parts. So installing a new lower end is just a matter of cost and labor, not any major extra work. But in doing this, you'll end up with a highly likely oil burning engine as the oil volume, not pressure, is more than tired rings can handle. Ever have some one do a valve job on a high mileage engine? And then you have issues all of sudden with oil being pumped out of the PCV? A high volume pump is like that on an engine having 100,000 miles on the clock. What fixes one problem causes another problem.
High volume oil pumps are good for most rebuilds but they can cause more problems than they are worth on any engine with 100,000 miles on the clock.
Usually if the pan comes off, it's real easy to rebuild the lower end of the engine. It's just a matter of pulling out the old and replacing parts. So installing a new lower end is just a matter of cost and labor, not any major extra work. But in doing this, you'll end up with a highly likely oil burning engine as the oil volume, not pressure, is more than tired rings can handle. Ever have some one do a valve job on a high mileage engine? And then you have issues all of sudden with oil being pumped out of the PCV? A high volume pump is like that on an engine having 100,000 miles on the clock. What fixes one problem causes another problem.
High volume oil pumps are good for most rebuilds but they can cause more problems than they are worth on any engine with 100,000 miles on the clock.
#22
Update: So today started her up......sounded pretty good. Oil pressure in dash showed nothing. Took her for a drive around my neighborhood......I guess little sluggish response but hard for me to know as this is my first truck so don’t know what these drive like healthy. Anyway right away when driving oil gauge in dash went right to halfway and stayed there.
What I’m concerned about now is some pretty bad knocking. Below are a couple vids....if any of you could take a listen and let me know what you think I’d be forever grateful:
What I’m concerned about now is some pretty bad knocking. Below are a couple vids....if any of you could take a listen and let me know what you think I’d be forever grateful: