drilling air boxes?
If you look at the overall results page, it refers to restriction having lost power, but then later added power and mileage.
The "myth" of reducing restriction is further evidenced by flow overcoming temp, as in the K&N vs closed box.
As for relearn procedures, this isn't myth and we're got serveral tuners resident to the site that have explained this many times to users here.
Your post in no way answered the question asked in the thread. Instead it took the often used approach that you have all the answers while taking a caustic attitude against other opinions.
The "myth" of reducing restriction is further evidenced by flow overcoming temp, as in the K&N vs closed box.
As for relearn procedures, this isn't myth and we're got serveral tuners resident to the site that have explained this many times to users here.
Your post in no way answered the question asked in the thread. Instead it took the often used approach that you have all the answers while taking a caustic attitude against other opinions.
Signmaster,
You are very close. If I remember my physics classes, an 11* F drop in input temperature is a gain of about 1 hp. A 60* drop would bring about a 5.5 hp gain.
A minor point over 8 hp.
-Lance
You are very close. If I remember my physics classes, an 11* F drop in input temperature is a gain of about 1 hp. A 60* drop would bring about a 5.5 hp gain.
Originally Posted by signmaster
If you read the intake temp page, you'll notice the claim that each 10 degrees is good for 1% HP increase. Fairly accurate if you don't account for flow, humidity, barometric pressure or other weather factors.
In this case the 60 degree difference should account for a 6% increase in HP by their claims.
Let's see here...
219 HP from the K&N FIPK sucking the warmer air
219 x .06 = 13.14
219 + 13.14 = 232.14
Result implied by not telling the entire story 232.14 HP
Actual result 211 HP
K&N FIPK result 219 HP
In this case the 60 degree difference should account for a 6% increase in HP by their claims.
Let's see here...
219 HP from the K&N FIPK sucking the warmer air
219 x .06 = 13.14
219 + 13.14 = 232.14
Result implied by not telling the entire story 232.14 HP
Actual result 211 HP
K&N FIPK result 219 HP
-Lance
Originally Posted by signmaster
Your post in no way answered the question asked in the thread.
Originally Posted by SKATERBRO
when you guys say "drill out the air box", what exactly do you mean? is it just drilling a bunch of holes in the bottom part of the box? i don't want to go and mess up a perfectly good air box.
Originally Posted by signmaster
Instead it took the often used approach that you have all the answers while taking a caustic attitude against other opinions.
B) To what "other opinion" was my post "caustic"? My post was the 2nd one in the thread. The only other post at that time was the original question. Are you just trying to stir something up?
The ONLY point that my post (or link) addressed was the MYTH that letting more (dirty, hot) air into the bottom of the filter box will increase engine performance. (I assumed that anyone reading a thread about modifying an air filter box would go to the AIR FILTER results page at the link.) That's all the original post was about - that's all the info I provided the link for. I wasn't saying EVERYTHING else at the link was perfectly correct. You brought up relearning adaptions & dyno corrections - those aren't necessary for the results to prove the airbox mods are a myth. I didn't say there was no reason to ever relearn or correct, but they're not relevant to the ORIGINAL purpose of this thread (like most of the posts in it, including this one).
Can an air filter box be modified to improve performance? Yes.
By cutting/drilling? No - not if it was designed properly at the factory, and IMO, all Fords were. (Yes, Regis - that's my final answer.)
It means: "find someone else to teach you about working on a vehicle."
"Give a man a fish...
Teach a man to fish..."
But I guess you don't understand THAT, either.
There's your fish for the day.
Now how could someone possibly take any of those statements as caustic, especially when the original question wasn't addressed?
Skaterbro and anyone else can make their decision based on provided facts and opinions, but don't get yourself in a wad because the link you provided disputes your statements. Both removing restriction and the system pulling underhood air provided more power. I never disputed that insulating any system would hurt it, but you disputed facts shown in your own link.
Often the most facts are presented during disputed issues, but most of us manage to do that without resorting to being arrogant ******. And if I wanted to start something I'd fish up the thread about mechanical fans being more efficient than electrics.
"Give a man a fish...
Teach a man to fish..."
But I guess you don't understand THAT, either.
There's your fish for the day.
Now how could someone possibly take any of those statements as caustic, especially when the original question wasn't addressed?
Skaterbro and anyone else can make their decision based on provided facts and opinions, but don't get yourself in a wad because the link you provided disputes your statements. Both removing restriction and the system pulling underhood air provided more power. I never disputed that insulating any system would hurt it, but you disputed facts shown in your own link.
Often the most facts are presented during disputed issues, but most of us manage to do that without resorting to being arrogant ******. And if I wanted to start something I'd fish up the thread about mechanical fans being more efficient than electrics.


