Like I've said before, "Bend over America, here it comes".

Just you wait guys, Obama's gonna change it for the better any day now:

 

This is all just the precursor to what comes next.







Who's going to be surprised when our own cities look like this?

Then big government will swoop in and save us..... from ourselves.

 

I am just a bit confused, there is alot of talk about "freedom" from these people. Have you ever heard what they are seeking freedom from?????????????? It reminds me of a line from the movie "The 3 Amigos", where Chevy Chase is toasting the bandidos and says "REMEMBER WHEN WE RAPED THE HORSES AND RODE OFF ON THE WOMEN?" And they all cheared just like these people........Go figure!!!!!!!!!!!

It appears that in this case, the San Andreas Fault may be the only line of defense for the rest of the country from nuts like this. For those who don't know Venice Ca is between the water and the fault line.

The crap that is comming from the East coast.........I don't know what will save you.

Special disclaimer-------not ALL of us here in Calif are like that.

 

jgger--It's funny your bring this up. My son's sister's husband (the siblings are adopted by different parts of the family and don't over think it the wife's family tree is more like a kudzu vine) is one of those who is ready to pick up guns and fight for his freedom. The sad part is when you ask what he wants to do his reply is go back to a strict interpretation of the Constitution and get rid of anything not written in it. He doesn't''t want to change anything in the Constitution only get rid of the parts of government not specifically mentioned. Then he'll ramble on about getting rid of several parts of the government. I pointed out to him that some of the agencies he wants to get rid of are mentioned in the Constitution(like Customs and Immigration), and other sections that aren't mentioned are a valuable needed resource, like the US Air Force, or Department of Corrections. I also point out that even if we go back to a very strict reading of the Constitution all we would do is reset the clock and since the people have figured out they can vote themselves benefits it would only be a few years until we are right back where we started before revolution. He has no ideas on specifically what needs to be done to change anything (mainly because he is too stupid to think for himself).

Specific changes I would like to see in the Constitution are: Term limits for all politicians to no more than two terms in any one office and no more than 16 years in DC. This would allow for a Senator to serve two terms there, then one more in the Oval office or a Representative to serve two terms in the House then two more in the Oval Office. Since representation is supposed to be a term of service politicians no longer receive retirement benefits and are unable to receive compensation from any other source than their government paychecks. Place a clause in there stating that ALL ten amendments in the bill of Rights are applicable, even the 10th amendment. Limiting spending on welfare programs to a percentage of the GDP. Removing the right to vote in federal elections from anybody who is accepting any type of welfare or holding a federal elected office. Requiring those who are on welfare to provide some sort of labor requirement (like picking up trash on the highway) or show some sort of progress toward obtaining skills that will help get them off the public dole, like finishing school. As far as what changes in government organization I would like to see it is very simple get rid of anything the federal government provides that existed when the Constitution was signed and was not directly of obviously implied to be required by the federal government. By obviously implied I mean things like the Dept of Corrections. It is pointless to have criminal laws in the federal government if there is no way of enforcing the laws or providing punishment for those who violate them. As far as my other statement, thing like health care and education did exist when the Constitution was signed, but those agencies were not provided for in the Constitution, so they go away. Things like the Air Force were not provided for, but it also didn't exist when the Constitution was written, so it can remain. I also think the clause "provide for the general welfare" needs to be defined in the Constitution as, "providing for the welfare of the society as a whole, not the individual members of the society in hopes that taking care of the individual makes the society better." This would allow for the Dept of Transportation to remain, to manage and maintain the freeways, and FEMA to remain to assist local governments with disaster recovery, while limiting the ability of Congress to expand the welfare state.

 

Not everyone on the east coast, Massachusetts specificly, is like that either, though here, conservitive types are greatly outnumbered.


1depd, your son's sister's husband's.... that is truely sad. It's sad because there are a bunch of "lefties" who proceede blindly, and a bunch of "righties" who proceede blindly. I think that at this point, as proven by the last election, the lefties outnumber the righties. I think a majority of lefties are already convinced that government is the answer. Not all of the righties want government limited to only the word of the Constitution. I think that many people like me, just and average Tom, understand the need for government but would just like to see it based upon the foundation of the Constitution, as the founders intended.

It's as hard to convince some of these righties that a federal government is nesessary for a society like ours to survive, as it is to convince lefties that a coddling, overbearing government leads to dictators and slaves.

 

i know this is a bit off of what everyones been talking about up until this point but overall whats everyones thoughts on what life will be like if for one we go over the cliff and our wonderful elected officials do nothing to steer us off this self destructive path as well as whats going to happen when this terrible obamacare package goes into effect in another year? i mean obviously its seeming like were all going to be losing a minimum of about 40 dollars per week in our paychecks. so essentially were all going backwards.

do you guys see many more jobs being lost, doctors retiring, having to wait 5 months just to get a yearly physical, more people who have had jobs this whole time now without work needing to go on unemployment, demonstrations like in the middle east and such, another severe recession or depression?

just like to know what all you guys think may transpire and the anger that will be soon to mount with all the taxpayers in this country continuing to be robbed of their incomes and such. i mean how much more can they possibly take from us and our families before this country starts to look like some of the warzones overseas?

 

Throw in a line item veto for the President and drug testing for all government aid programs and you have my vote.

 

I'm not for a line item veto because that allows the president to essentially rewrite a law so they like it. A bill can't get out of Congress unless both houses agree to the wording. I don't think the President should have the power to change a law that was negotiated and agreed to by Congress. I think it takes away one of the checks on presidential power. Besides, a line item veto is not needed, as we can see with this president. With a simple executive order, he has essentially line item vetoed the part in the Immigration and Naturalization Act that says if you enter this country illegally you will be deported.

I do agree with drug testing those on welfare. That can go in the section that requires a person to make strides to get off welfare. If your using illegal drugs it is very difficult to make the case that you are trying to better yourself.

 

My thoughts are the country will start to look like Europe. With a very weak economy. Unemployment is going to go even higher, since many companies are going to find even more ways to be more efficient. Currently the largest expense is employees. After Obamacare really kicks in that is going to make employees even more expensive, so that is where they will cut first. Obamacare will be seen a a dramatic failure, but since it was enacted and there is no way to cut entitlements the end result will be a single payer system and will be extremely expensive, just like it is in Europe. The elective surgeries will be reserved for only the wealthy while the rest of us suffer, just like other countries with socialized medicine.

The government has been spending over a trillion dollars more than they take in for the last four years. The only place I can see where it has increased spending is entitlement spending. Defense spending has been cut and the war savings has been included, yet we still spend more than a trillion than we take in. Without entitlement reform I see no change in deficit spending.

I think we are seeing the beginnings of the next US revolution and the beginning of WW III. There are many groups in the US even during good times that want to overthrow the government for being too intrusive. As the government becomes even more intrusive those sitting on the fence are going to hop off and pick a side. As these groups gain more following they will become emboldened and start to openly resist. As this country becomes more concerned with quelling the fight here, you will see the more violent countries in the world start acting up, resulting in many small wars throughout the world. I do not have much hope for the future and do not see a way out at this point.

 

Obama has shown just how he is going to cut costs. This year he has 54 Christmas trees in the WH. Up 50%. That it real cost cutting.

http://news.investors.com/politics-a...ve.htm?ven=rss

 

Geez Wit, you must be drinking again....... you are making PERFECT sense!

Great post!

 

And the deficit for the second month of the year is even higher. $176 billion.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...lar-it-spends/

 

$176 billion deficit in one month x 12 months = $2.11 Trillion in annualized deficit spending.

Remember, each billion is 1,000 x $1 million. And a Trillion is a thousand x $1 billion. So the annualized rate of deficit growth is now $1 million x 2.11 million. That's a lot of millions.

There are about 115 million taxpayers. Every $115 billion = $1,000 per taxpayer. We overspent by $176 billion last month, or $1,530 per taxpayer over and above what was collected.

Multiply that $1,530/month x 12 to get an annual rate of $18,360 per taxpayer, above what is collected. If you are an above average earner, your share is far higher.

At the most recent rate, your federal government alone would have to raise taxes on each taxpayer by $18,360 each year to BREAK EVEN. If we want to pay down the debt (lol), they would need to raise taxes more.

Oh, and the debt and deficit are small potatoes compared to the unfunded entitlements.

And we are not even paying for Obamacare yet.

Sorry folks, it just does not pencil. We are not going to make it without massive spending cuts, and those ain't happening, at least for the next four years. This financial house of cards has to come down.

 

That's the whole idea.

 

"They" are winning. "We" are losing. Miserably.

I try to be a positive force, but it's getting harder to do so given the current conditions. I fear that "we" are going to have to defend ourselves from the people who create the chaos like that pictured in the pic from my post above.

I was talking to my boss, my dad, the other day about what our future may be. I expressed my concern for my future, but I feel the worse about what my father said about the concerns for his. Whats happening today is so very unfair to so many people. I wish I could do more for my father in his later years but the noose that's been tightening around my neck has tightened so much more around his.

I guess history does repeat. So unfortunate. After more than two hundred years, we are again under the rule of a "king".