Don't know if you've seen this one yet. You might find it interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNKWI...layer_embedded

What do you think? Especially Texas.

 

They should have escorted the man to the door with no supper. What you may find even more amazing is that a lot of the Texas city council meetings along the border with Mexico are held in spanish only. Like we say down here, if you like Mexico so dam much, head southwest and you'll find it....and stay there. Here's the poster boy for this crap.

Ya know, we as a nation have tried to be appeasing to so many groups that we have lost our own values. WE make concessions for the gays, mexicans, muslims, etc that we no longer have a say in how this countries values are attained. What made this country great is now bringing it down. In the name of personal freedom we have pretty much abandoned the values this nation once had. Seems everybody has to be part of a group that wants special rights. I was taught in school that what made this country great is that it was folks from a diverse background that came together to form the greatest nation earth had ever seen. Now we have the "groups" tearing it apart in the name of rights. It's never been more true- United we stand, divided we fall. Anybody got a parachute I can borrow?

 

I get so tired of hearing spanish all the time. Welcome to America Speak English...

 

What you see in the video is a Mexican man that is trying to make a political statement. He obviously speaks English, but chose not to. And he was called on it.

Of course, it won't be spun that way by the media.

 

This is about politics and/or religion? Why is that because this hearing was about a proposed law? The same outrage would be there is this person who has been in this country since 1988 used an interpreter to speak at a hearing for the Girl Scouts, to a sports team, or on a tv game show.

This is what happends when everyone is hyper PC. By moving this thread from general discussion it is being made political, when it isn't.

If the goal of a site is to get people to click on many pages to see many ads, this PC dividing of discussions is going to have the exact opposite effect.

Really, this isn't helping anyone.

The topic is about a guy who has been in the United States since 1988, who speaks Spanish, when he can speak English, who has an interpreter to make his points at a public hearing. Anything beyond that is irrelevent to the discussion.

 

wit, your response sounds like you think moving a thread to the P&R subforum is some kind of punishment.

While the OP may frame a thread non-P&R, he can't control responses.
I can see where subsequent posts in this thread looked political to someone.

I will vouch that there was absolutely no religion in this thread whatsoever.
And I pray that wasn't why it was moved......oops! :o

 

Got me why it would be moved, I have seen where more time is spent on the topic of politics and religious topics , to the point that someone posted **** in a classified thread, and the one posting it commented on the mods must be easing up, it was up for 2+ days without being touched.

Got me why the topic that created this sub forum is a higher priority than keeping the site free of ****....
Some how politics and religion has become the evil thing that will make the site look trashy, not those **** pictures in a classified thread.

Some how this has become the new priority.

I will say it is a self fulling action, the politics are centered around the site's action, not the topic.

 

Rilly? I saw this thread early a.m. today and would have bet that the thread would have been moved within an hour or two. I think that the management has made their position clear, this is political, belongs here, and I see no offense with the move.

The immigrants from South of the border will never assimilate and become part of our culture the way our immigrant forefathers did. They are content to exist in a sub-culture separate from the main stream and enjoy their benefits of exclusivity, for what it's worth. In the case of the politico in front of the State Senators, they should have shown him the door.

On a lighter note, I get kick out of the local imports when the old Gringo speaks Spanish to them. Their English suddenly comes along real well.

 

i agree, coming from a fellow Texan, i too am tired of hearing Spanish all the time..i have no problem with Mexicans..but when they try to communicate with me with Spanish, i don't know Spanish, and don't want to know it either

 

When they try to communicate spanish with me i just walk off, I hate it in general also, when i go into a store or waiting in line it all sounds like jibberish . I think they should have to learn proper english before they can become legal U.S. citizens. Im not even going to go there with the Illegals.

 

In defense of the "illegals". The best masons are usually from Mexico along with framers. We, as Americans, always want to pay less but the cost of a house would rise considerably if not for the illegals. Reminds me of the joke about Davy Crockett walking up to Sam Houston at the Alamo and quietly they looked out over the countryside at the Mexican army. Crockett finally broke the silence and said "We must be pourin' concrete". Look around at the ethnic group pouring concrete. It's the Mexicans for sure. We need to find a way to get these WORKING people over here. They should not be allowed to vote and they should not be allowed any social programs like welfare. They need to carry health insurance and if they want, a policy for paycheck benefits if they get hurt- kinda like you do. The freebee programs for the lazy have to stop, we just don't have the money and if we don't stop it, the dollar will be worthless and you won't be able to make enough money to feed yer family. And that goes for illegals and legals. As far as the language spoken, it doesn't bother me but I speak a lot of spanish anyway.

 

I agree with what you are saying to a degree Labnerd. But being a contractor, I have personally witnessed other contractors in other trades paying illegal brickmasons, etc. cash money for a day's work. It is usually between $50-$70 dollars per day, sometimes less.

There are very few people that are American citizens that can live off of that much money. And yes, I support illegals being deported, but also contractors being severely fined for paying them.

As for framing, the best framers I have seen are usually American citizens. I'm not saying that the illegals are all sub-standard. But I have personally seen in home construction houses and rooms in houses that were not square because of corner-cutting in framing. I'm sure you know that an 1/8" here or a 1/4" there shows in the finished product.

 

I would have to disagree with Labnerd on the framer thing. I have been a carpenter since 1970 and have seen the increase of both legal and not so legal framers.

It used to be that in production framing a house was stood up by 1 or 2 framers per slab. Since the "southerners" have invaded, it is never less than 4 guys on a slab and with nail guns and double the manpower it still takes the same amount of time to raise a house. Plus they take a much higher level of supervision. But they do work very hard, just not very smart.

I had an old boss who used to say that if you gave one of them a screw driver and a pair of pliars, they could take anything apart. Trouble is they couldn't put anything back together.

 

A good drywall man can compensate for bad framing.
And a good trim carpenter can coverup a bad drywall job.
A good real estate agent can overcome a bad trim job.

But when the agent sucks, well dang it that's what happened to the housing market!

 

I call this the baby bird theory. A bird puts thorns in its nest and covers them with feathers for a reason. When it's time to leave the nest the feathers are removed leaving only the thorns. Pretty soon the chick is ready to go, the nest isn't very comfortable anymore. Take away the easy money and there isn't a reason to stay.

I would treat the hiring of illegal workers the same as environmental regulations. If you accidentally break the EPA rules you can turn yourself in for little or no penalty, so long as it is not a common issue. However, if someone turns you in you are automatically given the maximum fine and the whistle blower gets 10%. If the fine was something like $1,000/day/illegal worker a 10 man construction crew could be hit up to $10,000/day on a 10 day job they would be hit $100,000. The person who outs them would get $10,000. This would stop things pretty quickly.

Just for clarity, I'm not against Hispanics or other people. I just don't like them breaking our laws and using our system against us. The migrant worker visa program needs to be reworked to allow people to come here and work but pay their taxes and follow the law. If you want to come from somewhere to work for a while and then go home, this is your ticket. If you want to stay here then learn English, learn our culture and follow the process for becoming a citizen.

In Texas you must have a better grade of illegal, here most of them do shoddy work but do it for next to nothing. The expensive homes are all native American built. The subdivisions are built by a mix, the cheaper the area the more illegal workers and some places look like the leaning starter house of Arkansas.