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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 08:04 PM
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Stall vs Gears

I was talking to a friend that as an AWD SS silverado about getting gears for my truck and he told me that a stall is cheaper and easier to install since I have a 4X4. The only reason I want higher gears are for performance off the line when we go play at the strip. Just wondering yall's opinion on this matter. I can get a stall with installation for a little under 1000. The Avg price for the 4.10 gears w/ install will be 1500. I dont know much about stalls so any info on which is a better option would be greatful
 
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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 10:35 PM
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Well for off the line power, you want lower gears, not higher. A stall would be good too, but that would run you between $750-1200 installed, depending on what type you get, and who installs it. I would do the gears first.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 10:50 PM
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You are going in the right direction with some 4.10's. That is a lower gear for more acceleration.

Stall is a description of how long/high a converter slips. When ever a torque converter slips, it actually multiplies torque. It also creates heat.
Stall can be acheived in 2 ways: 1 to re-tune the fins inside the converter. 2 reduce the diameter of the converter.

A high stall is going to negatively impact your ability to tow and to use the 4x4 in a high torque situation (mud, tires, hill climbs). The whole time you are in one of these conditions and the torque converter is not mechanically locked up, you are going to be generating a lot of heat.

A good stall converter is going to run close to or more than $1000 in parts. Remember that this is a lockup converter and it needs to stay that way. If you cant install it yourself, you are right back to the price of the gears.

Honestly, I dont know how a looser converter would work with such a heavy vehicle.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 11:13 PM
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I think you are getting some bad advice regarding installing a higher RPM stall converter. I had one years ago in my Comet that only ran from stop light to stop light. It was a great hook-up with a manual valve body but I had a high duration cam, 12:1 compression and dual hollys on a tunnel ram intake sticking out of the hood and a bunch of other mods to make it work right.

Putting in a high stall converter is nuts on a stock motor, much less on a truck that I suspect you use for more than just beating other fools (I say that with respect) on the street who like to spend money on their vehicles. I suspect your perfromance would decrease, not increase.

Go with the gears. 4.56 r/p highly recommended...
 
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Old Feb 18, 2007 | 11:55 PM
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Thanks for the replies guys, seems like the gears are def. worth the extra few hundred. and yes I do work and do some towing "boats" with my truck so the stall prob isn't the best thing for it. Thanks for the input guys. I haven't heard of many guys here with stalls and I guess i know why now
 
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Old Feb 19, 2007 | 12:11 AM
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I think you are getting some bad advice regarding installing a higher RPM stall converter. I had one years ago in my Comet that only ran from stop light to stop light. It was a great hook-up with a manual valve body but I had a high duration cam, 12:1 compression and dual hollys on a tunnel ram intake sticking out of the hood and a bunch of other mods to make it work right.

Putting in a high stall converter is nuts on a stock motor, much less on a truck that I suspect you use for more than just beating other fools (I say that with respect) on the street who like to spend money on their vehicles. I suspect your perfromance would decrease, not increase.

Go with the gears. 4.56 r/p highly recommended...
Do you think the 4.56's are to much for my truck?? I do some highway traveling when I go home from school to visit (once every 2 weeks) I do agree though, jumping to 4.10's from 3.73's isnt a big jump. I will be getting bigger tires but nothing crazy maybe, 285 /65/R18.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2007 | 06:49 AM
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go with 410, anything lower will be way to much.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2007 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RYAN24
Do you think the 4.56's are to much for my truck?? I do some highway traveling when I go home from school to visit (once every 2 weeks) I do agree though, jumping to 4.10's from 3.73's isnt a big jump. I will be getting bigger tires but nothing crazy maybe, 285 /65/R18.
It depends on what tires you eventually put on your truck. I have (almost) 35" tires on my truck. That was a fairly significant change from my stock tires. The 4.56 gears put me back to "a little better" than my stock 3.73 and my factory tires. Prior to the swap my truck was a dog.

If you are looking for PERFORMANCE ONLY I would still go with the 4.56 gears. You'd see a significant difference with those stock tires but you'd be running some significantly higher RPM's as well. When you go up in tire size you'd see that come back down some.

Since you're not looking for performance only (I gather from what you wrote) I'd wait until I had money to burn to do the swap. A change from 3.73 to 4.10 isn't that much. It would make your truck more driveable but you might be disappointed that you didn't see as much of a change with what you spent. Buy your tires first and see how much money you have left to spend on gas...
 

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