Look what showed up at the track today (oic)
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mach 1
i had heard that the roof line was going to be a little different then the GT, also, carrying over alot of the "bullet" interior features. Also supposed to have the signature mach1 spoiler, painted black, on all color models. I had heard that the hp was in the 320 range. I love the hood. I wish goodmark would make the mach 1 to fit our trucks, i'd be all over it.
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Thor01,
Car & Driver's performance numbers tend to be better than the majority of drivers can match. That's without icing down the intake, lowering tire pressures for optimum traction on stock tires, or the several other tricks drag racers use at the track. I've seen many times in C&D where they have even mentioned a suspicion of having recieved a "hot" vehicle from the manufacturer, so as to not mislead their readers to think they are going to recieve a like vehicle from the showroom. They are one of the fairest Mags. out there. I have subscribed to them all. They do seem to have a long running love affair with BMW vehicles; but, what's not to love?
I commend Ford for upping the ante' with the '03 Cobra. That they waited until after the F-body was dead is unfortunate. It does look bad, whether it was intentional or not.
Car & Driver's performance numbers tend to be better than the majority of drivers can match. That's without icing down the intake, lowering tire pressures for optimum traction on stock tires, or the several other tricks drag racers use at the track. I've seen many times in C&D where they have even mentioned a suspicion of having recieved a "hot" vehicle from the manufacturer, so as to not mislead their readers to think they are going to recieve a like vehicle from the showroom. They are one of the fairest Mags. out there. I have subscribed to them all. They do seem to have a long running love affair with BMW vehicles; but, what's not to love?
I commend Ford for upping the ante' with the '03 Cobra. That they waited until after the F-body was dead is unfortunate. It does look bad, whether it was intentional or not.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Thor01
red00lightning,
I may be a Ford man, That doesn't change the fact team mustang ran two mach's at a track with spectators and some even have the runs on video and posted.
Let's see...of course Ford ran a great number, it's there damn car. Remember the '99 Cobra ?...They had great HP numbers and great track #3's , what happened when people got them in their hands?................................they flopped, they neither got the HP #'s they promised nor the 1/4 mile #'s they promised.
Not that you would take the time to see it for fact rather
then disput something you have no knowledge of. How many mags ran high times with stock Lightnings and look how many ran mid to low 13's.
What I take for fact is what someone credible runs, not the manufacter, because they have nothing to gain by running mediocre numbers. They have everything to gain by inflated #'s, that's why they get results like the ones they got from independent tests, because the bottom line is money, run great times= report those for a lot of money....(who cares if they are true...see the first point.....'99 Cobra)
A little advice. The Mag's are the last place you should try to get ceidible data. Your pictures mean what? I've driven them. C&D also have high times for an 03 cobra. What's your point? Because I work at Ford that has to do with what here?
It's because you bleed Ford blue that your bias, you want the car to preform above and beyond expectations, unfortunately the people that tested it didn't see that....of course there are manufacturer tests that get great #'s , they benifit from those. How many times have you seen a manufacturer claim they got xx amount of HP from a car that really only put out xx amount of HP?....(read the '99 Cobra comment from above.)
You don't understand why a company does something and it's stupid. Just maybe Ford didn't want to confuse people with two diiferent hp numbers. Then again, Maybey they should have gotten your advice on how to market the car.
Let's see...you said the low #'s were from a automatic and that the #'s released were for an auto...the car in the test was a 5-speed...please clarify, becuase you make no sense here.
Ford has over 5500 orders for machs. That's customer orders. Ford will be building them all year for 03 and I believe in most of 04.
There will always be orders from the faithful, hell...a lot of guys ordered that POS '99 Cobra simply because it was a SVT Cobra....of course most had to go get theirs fixed so the POS performed even close to what SVT advertised them as.....it' cool to be loyal to a certain brand, but at least be realistic, that's something that is pretty rare around here.
Guapo,
It's all Fords fault chevy is storring furnature in thier assembly plants instead of building crapmaro's. The mustang wone the war and now GM has nothing to bring to the table in 03. The Mach and Terminator were both programs prior to GM releasing their intentions to discontinue the F-Body. Like Ford had a fly on the wall in the executive conference rooms at GM and new exactly when to release the terminator.
What is Ford supposed to hold off on the mustang until GM get's their head out. Their is nothing fair about this busniness. Run what you brung. I race for today, not waiting for GM's future front wheel drive cars two years from now.
Oh, and believe me. Every C-5,SS and Firechicken owner that has seen my tailgate does care. Especially when you see them beating on their dash boards!
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red00lightning,
I may be a Ford man, That doesn't change the fact team mustang ran two mach's at a track with spectators and some even have the runs on video and posted.
Let's see...of course Ford ran a great number, it's there damn car. Remember the '99 Cobra ?...They had great HP numbers and great track #3's , what happened when people got them in their hands?................................they flopped, they neither got the HP #'s they promised nor the 1/4 mile #'s they promised.
Not that you would take the time to see it for fact rather
then disput something you have no knowledge of. How many mags ran high times with stock Lightnings and look how many ran mid to low 13's.
What I take for fact is what someone credible runs, not the manufacter, because they have nothing to gain by running mediocre numbers. They have everything to gain by inflated #'s, that's why they get results like the ones they got from independent tests, because the bottom line is money, run great times= report those for a lot of money....(who cares if they are true...see the first point.....'99 Cobra)
A little advice. The Mag's are the last place you should try to get ceidible data. Your pictures mean what? I've driven them. C&D also have high times for an 03 cobra. What's your point? Because I work at Ford that has to do with what here?
It's because you bleed Ford blue that your bias, you want the car to preform above and beyond expectations, unfortunately the people that tested it didn't see that....of course there are manufacturer tests that get great #'s , they benifit from those. How many times have you seen a manufacturer claim they got xx amount of HP from a car that really only put out xx amount of HP?....(read the '99 Cobra comment from above.)
You don't understand why a company does something and it's stupid. Just maybe Ford didn't want to confuse people with two diiferent hp numbers. Then again, Maybey they should have gotten your advice on how to market the car.
Let's see...you said the low #'s were from a automatic and that the #'s released were for an auto...the car in the test was a 5-speed...please clarify, becuase you make no sense here.
Ford has over 5500 orders for machs. That's customer orders. Ford will be building them all year for 03 and I believe in most of 04.
There will always be orders from the faithful, hell...a lot of guys ordered that POS '99 Cobra simply because it was a SVT Cobra....of course most had to go get theirs fixed so the POS performed even close to what SVT advertised them as.....it' cool to be loyal to a certain brand, but at least be realistic, that's something that is pretty rare around here.
Guapo,
It's all Fords fault chevy is storring furnature in thier assembly plants instead of building crapmaro's. The mustang wone the war and now GM has nothing to bring to the table in 03. The Mach and Terminator were both programs prior to GM releasing their intentions to discontinue the F-Body. Like Ford had a fly on the wall in the executive conference rooms at GM and new exactly when to release the terminator.
What is Ford supposed to hold off on the mustang until GM get's their head out. Their is nothing fair about this busniness. Run what you brung. I race for today, not waiting for GM's future front wheel drive cars two years from now.
Oh, and believe me. Every C-5,SS and Firechicken owner that has seen my tailgate does care. Especially when you see them beating on their dash boards!
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From: Mi.
red00Lightning,
Excuse me? Go back and re-read what I said to TZRLightning01 in the previouse thread. I said that the Manual was mid to low 13's and the auto was low 14's. By the way Ford drivers didn't get the lowest times on the manual.
Paul Svinicki, owner of Pauls high performance out of Jackson Michigan is the one who did 12.90's with just D/R's on the manual.
If you don't know who he is just ask around. If you still don't believe me call his shop and ask him. He also sells lightning products.
You want proof. Go over to stang net. Someone can forward you vid on the runs that day. Being a diehard has nothing to do with it. It happened and it was in a pre-production car.
You don't even know the facts and it's becoming more clear that your denial of a product that you only read about is due to the fact that GM is out and Ford is on top. I can hit you with the facts all day and you are still going to cry that this is propaganda from a Ford guy. Sounds like you bought a Lightning b/c chevy has nothing to compete with the L. Once they do I'm sure you'll be jumping ship.
Stay in denial.
Excuse me? Go back and re-read what I said to TZRLightning01 in the previouse thread. I said that the Manual was mid to low 13's and the auto was low 14's. By the way Ford drivers didn't get the lowest times on the manual.
Paul Svinicki, owner of Pauls high performance out of Jackson Michigan is the one who did 12.90's with just D/R's on the manual.
If you don't know who he is just ask around. If you still don't believe me call his shop and ask him. He also sells lightning products.
You want proof. Go over to stang net. Someone can forward you vid on the runs that day. Being a diehard has nothing to do with it. It happened and it was in a pre-production car.
You don't even know the facts and it's becoming more clear that your denial of a product that you only read about is due to the fact that GM is out and Ford is on top. I can hit you with the facts all day and you are still going to cry that this is propaganda from a Ford guy. Sounds like you bought a Lightning b/c chevy has nothing to compete with the L. Once they do I'm sure you'll be jumping ship.
Stay in denial.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Thor01
red00Lightning,
Excuse me? Go back and re-read what I said to TZRLightning01 in the previouse thread. I said that the Manual was mid to low 13's and the auto was low 14's. By the way Ford drivers didn't get the lowest times on the manual.
LOL....looks to me like you need to keep up with the thread a little better. I know what you said about the manual running those times, this is what I'm disputing. The test car in Car & Driver is in fact a manual....look at the pics....sorry that it doesn't register for you for some reason. They ran a 14.0...somehow you are spouting out low 13's....hmmmm...not biased are we ???
Paul Svinicki, owner of Pauls high performance out of Jackson Michigan is the one who did 12.90's with just D/R's on the manual.
If you don't know who he is just ask around. If you still don't believe me call his shop and ask him. He also sells lightning products.
Again, not an independent test. If I was a tuner (which Paul is) I would want the car to run it's *** off, which it obviosuly did. He only gains from such a showing, since he will be selling parts for it....notice a trend here ? I do....just like MMFF times/articles......they are very biased....for a reason, but still biased
You want proof. Go over to stang net. Someone can forward you vid on the runs that day. Being a diehard has nothing to do with it. It happened and it was in a pre-production car.
Wow...more un-biased opionions....go to a Mustang site and ask what the car runs.....hmmm...I bet they will say it runs 14's...come on man, be realistic. I'm sorry it's so hard to accept, the car isn't everything you or Ford wanted it to be, that's the way it is sometimes
You don't even know the facts and it's becoming more clear that your denial of a product that you only read about is due to the fact that GM is out and Ford is on top. I can hit you with the facts all day and you are still going to cry that this is propaganda from a Ford guy. Sounds like you bought a Lightning b/c chevy has nothing to compete with the L. Once they do I'm sure you'll be jumping ship.
I know the facts, I'm pointing them out in black and white from a third party source and for some reason you can't accept them....it looks like you're the one in denial. I bought a Lightning because I like it, not because it was a Ford...I don't bleed Ford blue...I also couldn't give a ***** about Chevy...I don't even own a bowtie....last time I did was back in '99.....no interest in them, much like all the other Fords. It just kills me to see some of the guys on here spewing propoganda about how great all these Ford products are and never really telling the whole/true story. I don't respect anything Ford has put out except the Lightning and the '03 Cobra....other than that it's pretty much been crap.....and they still need to work on the quality control on those two
Stay in denial.
This seems to be where you live...wake up and open up those eyes man
--wes
red00Lightning,
Excuse me? Go back and re-read what I said to TZRLightning01 in the previouse thread. I said that the Manual was mid to low 13's and the auto was low 14's. By the way Ford drivers didn't get the lowest times on the manual.
LOL....looks to me like you need to keep up with the thread a little better. I know what you said about the manual running those times, this is what I'm disputing. The test car in Car & Driver is in fact a manual....look at the pics....sorry that it doesn't register for you for some reason. They ran a 14.0...somehow you are spouting out low 13's....hmmmm...not biased are we ???
Paul Svinicki, owner of Pauls high performance out of Jackson Michigan is the one who did 12.90's with just D/R's on the manual.
If you don't know who he is just ask around. If you still don't believe me call his shop and ask him. He also sells lightning products.
Again, not an independent test. If I was a tuner (which Paul is) I would want the car to run it's *** off, which it obviosuly did. He only gains from such a showing, since he will be selling parts for it....notice a trend here ? I do....just like MMFF times/articles......they are very biased....for a reason, but still biased
You want proof. Go over to stang net. Someone can forward you vid on the runs that day. Being a diehard has nothing to do with it. It happened and it was in a pre-production car.
Wow...more un-biased opionions....go to a Mustang site and ask what the car runs.....hmmm...I bet they will say it runs 14's...come on man, be realistic. I'm sorry it's so hard to accept, the car isn't everything you or Ford wanted it to be, that's the way it is sometimes
You don't even know the facts and it's becoming more clear that your denial of a product that you only read about is due to the fact that GM is out and Ford is on top. I can hit you with the facts all day and you are still going to cry that this is propaganda from a Ford guy. Sounds like you bought a Lightning b/c chevy has nothing to compete with the L. Once they do I'm sure you'll be jumping ship.
I know the facts, I'm pointing them out in black and white from a third party source and for some reason you can't accept them....it looks like you're the one in denial. I bought a Lightning because I like it, not because it was a Ford...I don't bleed Ford blue...I also couldn't give a ***** about Chevy...I don't even own a bowtie....last time I did was back in '99.....no interest in them, much like all the other Fords. It just kills me to see some of the guys on here spewing propoganda about how great all these Ford products are and never really telling the whole/true story. I don't respect anything Ford has put out except the Lightning and the '03 Cobra....other than that it's pretty much been crap.....and they still need to work on the quality control on those two
Stay in denial.
This seems to be where you live...wake up and open up those eyes man
--wes
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From: Mi.
Yeah, Ok! I'll just rely on Mags to debate. What do you know? Only what a mag tells you. By the way. That care was being driven at englishtown by evan smith editor of MM&FF that day.
There again, another video of his run that day and you guessed it. It's at stang net. You need to get your head out of the mags and see what's running at the tracks.
You think the car is loaded or will be b/c Ford drove the car or gave a car to another mag like MM&FF? Get real! Paul's 10 sec 03 cobra isn't real too right?
Well, when other mags and people start doing better times then C&D then what? They cheated or did something to the car right?
What's your excuse going to be? "I didn't see it with my own eyes, so it didn't happen.
I also subscribe to C&D. Who cares, it's one mag out of 20 that will get their hands on a mach.
You need to wake up and not believe everything you read in a car mag and start going to the tracks before talking about something you know nothing about. You only have C&D!! Not much to go on in your defense. Oh, and I don't smoke!!
Go get a check-up from the neck-up. I think you need it!!
There again, another video of his run that day and you guessed it. It's at stang net. You need to get your head out of the mags and see what's running at the tracks.
You think the car is loaded or will be b/c Ford drove the car or gave a car to another mag like MM&FF? Get real! Paul's 10 sec 03 cobra isn't real too right?
Well, when other mags and people start doing better times then C&D then what? They cheated or did something to the car right?
What's your excuse going to be? "I didn't see it with my own eyes, so it didn't happen.
I also subscribe to C&D. Who cares, it's one mag out of 20 that will get their hands on a mach.
You need to wake up and not believe everything you read in a car mag and start going to the tracks before talking about something you know nothing about. You only have C&D!! Not much to go on in your defense. Oh, and I don't smoke!!
Go get a check-up from the neck-up. I think you need it!!