Hey Mod Squad,

It may be dangerous, however I agree with you.

I think the Proof may be in the Warranty and if it is honored. Are they (KB and Cooks) going to include Intake and Head Gaskets?

BTW, new best: 11.82 with 1.64 60 ft. Sunglid On

Jim

 

I'll let you know what I run this weekend w/ the new KB blower. It is a different version than the magazine tested.

 

"Power was also made through an air filter (IE: No PVC “Bazooka Tube”)" I took this from the first post.

This is from the Truckin article Oct. 2002 pg.288. "Equiped with the Bazooka Tube, a 9-inch crank pulley, a 2.57-inch blower pulley and the Accufab throttle body, the Autorotor-supercharged Lightning thumped out 522 hp and a whopping 600 lb-ft of torque."

Um, yes it was a cheap one on the KB. Especially when Dale doesn't post the #'s the works made... that is the whole point I am making.

 

It is dangerous to agree with me.

Good job. Does that snuglig have the fossliner interior? Why isn't it listed? Also what about the optional no drill install kit? Was that installed?

 

The real problem.:o

 

No, the real problem is people like you who come on here and can't stand that I just proved Dale had an agenda. Yes, promote the 140 and bash the KB. If he just wanted to share some info and not bash the KB I probably wouldn't have said anything. If you were not from FL and hadn't gotten on Dougs case in the past for the way he moderated the REM situation when they were not a supporting vendor I wouldn't have thought twice about your motives either.

 

No Leonard, the REAL problem is people like you, who come on this board and LOOK for reasons to stir up crap. Yes, Dale had an agenda. His agenda was to show some cool pics and put forth some fresh info on an upcoming product. His statement about the filter was not a shot, it was a true statement. Jim Belle is well known in the automotive world for "skewing" dyno tests with things like bazooka tubes on the MAF (increases flow like a velocity stack), boost gauges that purposely read low to make blowers look like they make more power at less boost, and using race gas without saying so. This is not uncommon knowledge. Dale was just simply saying how OUR testing was done, in a correct manner, as opposed to the "other guys".

You don't see Works supporters ragging on the all the KB hype, when the KB blower isn't even in prodution yet! So why are you defending something that's not even in production, meanwhile the blowers you ARE ragging on are already on customer trucks?

 

Easter,

I simply thought it was interesting that the Works kit managed to make similar power numbers as the KB kit, but through a filter. I mean, how often do you run your truck without a filter?

I also thought it was interesting (But didn't originally plan on sharing it) that the Works powered truck made that power with only a 7.9" (2lb) lower and a 3.0" upper (minus .5lb upper??) I believe if you look back at that article section you referenced, they used a 9" (6lb) lower and 2.57" (4lb??) upper...

Sure, I am a Works supporter, my agenda was simply to let people know that "Hey, these Works kits are getting close."

And, the reason that times weren't referenced, is because there arent any... Would you race your truck if it was running out of injector at 4,700rpms and running off-the-scale lean above that?

Please, lets not turn this into another bash thread. This was simply an informative thread to show some new goodies.

Thanks,
-Dale

 

I'm not a KB supporter or a works whipple supporter. Don't you get it? I'm not "ragging" If you want some truth let's get it on. You don't have any proof that the works whipple is better than the KB. At least one customer with a works blower kit is unsatisfied. KB has dyno tests and time slips to back up the power they made, while the works crew is silent (I wonder why?). The KB to be released is bigger than the one the mags tested.
Now show me some timeslips. You can't/won't because the timeslips are not as good as the timeslips JL has.
I would be in the market for a works whipple if I thought it was any good. It may turn out that it is a quality product with customer service to back it up. Right now I don't think it is as good as the KB.
Now, as far as "skewing"/lying in the mags about the KB blower show me some proof.

 

Well, I'm not bashing anyone. Can't I question? Why can't someone at works use a stock truck and do some dynos like the KB tests? That would at least prove how much better the works 140 is compared to the KB, Right? Don't forget to use a bazooka tube.

 

You keep talking about the truth about comparing the Works 140 to the KB. Nobody has mentioned that except for YOU. Nobody on this thread said anything about comparing the two blowers until YOU did. Nobody in this thead even mentioned the KB until YOU did. So it's obvious that YOU are trying to start heated discussions about something other than the original post.

Oh no? I thought we covered that pretty good. Let's see. The Works 140 made over 500 rwhp at only 4700 rpm. The KB was almost 1000 rpm higher. The 140 made that power on CA pump gas. The KB test was done on 110 octane leaded race fuel. The 140 made 20 psi with a 3.0 upper and a 7.9 lower. The KB made 21 psi with a 2.57 upper and a 9 inch lower. I guess you are not that good with numbers. That sure sounds "better" to me.

That's true, but the cause of his unsatisfaction is still a mystery. He's also openly admitted that Works has done everything possible to help. And that's not even a blower brand that YOU are trying to debate here, so why even bring it up.

Once again, you are defending something that it yet to be proven to exist. The FIRST KB wasn't even released yet.

There are no Works timeslips because there are no Works 140 trucks ready to run at the track. That's just a stupid comment. How about you show ME a KB truck's timeslips other than JLs. Oh wait, I forgot, there are none.

That whole article was proof. The truck was run on 110 octane leaded race fuel. Does it say that? I don't recall seeing that. The article claims there was "no chip". That's a neat way to phrase it. There was actually no chip. But what the article doesn't say is there WAS a Ford tuner there tuning the truck via reflashing the EEC. Nice honesty huh?

What is basically comes down to, is Works and the people who support Works are not really interested in getting into debates about competitors blowers. We are just trying to perfect the current product, and bring the people interested the data.

 

Wow, you all have me convinced...I'll stay with the stock Eaton for awhile...

Can't we all get along?

 

plus you can get that same blower whine from the works!!! don't forget that one sal. HEHEEHHEHEHE

 

Hell yeah!!! LOL I will just spray a 150 shot of NNNAAAAZZZZ!!!!

 

Easter-

You are most definetly allowed to question.

I believe some testing was done on a stock-ish truck, but I don't have the numbers available (Nor do I know what level of modification the truck had). I will let someone that knows what they are talking about on that state those numbers..

I do think the truck made something like 16-17psi with a stock lower pulley and the 3" upper (which is larger than stock)...

The bazooka tube is well above any of our mechanical ability. Not sure we could come across one of those. I think the bazooka tube was invented by the US Government and they have all since been locked away in a secret under-ground storage facility... Just have to stick with an air-filter for now

-Dale