Had a chance to drive a Lighning that was chipped
by PSP and there is quite a difference in the way that
each tuner goes about things. But beyond that, there
seems to be huge differences in the basic capabilities
of the chips themselves.

For instance, you can switch the PSP to whatever mode
you want whenever you need it. I can think of a few
tuning parameters that you might want to set differently
and change say 100 feet down the track. With the PSP
chip this is possible, but the SuperChip has to be "key-off"
switched. Not sure about the Diablo ???

There also seems to be a big difference in the shifting
parameters, and I would suggest you talk to or ride in
a truck that has each kind of chip before you commit to
using a single vendors solution. Yes, some programs
give you a boot in the a$$ shift point, but you may not
want that all the time. (Or when you let the wifey drive
it!) Others seem to have different WOT settings as
opposed to "Partial Throttle". This finesse can make
all the differece in the world in the drivability of your ride!

This is not "slamming" anyone, just letting y'all know
there are more differences than meet the eye, so telling
some of the new people to "take your choice" really isn't
helping them get what they need.

So make real life comparisons, bypass all the "my tuner's
better than your tuner!" BS and choose what suits you
and what you need.

 

Sorry for being ignorant but what does PSP stand for?

 

www.Powersurgeperformance.net i.e. PSP

 

Power Surge Performance- www.powersurgeperformance.net

SVT_KY- Cant a tuners generic chip program be modified to suit the taste of the driver after they try it out?

 

Power Surge Performance

 

RhinoSlug,

I'm sure they prolly could be ... But that would mean you need
to know what exactly you wanted... Hence the gist of my post.
And I'm not sure how much of the settings are proprietary and
which ones are general knowledge. Either way, all the tuners
seem to be very accomodating. Then there is the turn around,
and the pain of taking it out and putting it back ... Maybe we
need a Chinese Menu .... one from Column "A" and one from
Column "B" ????

So if I never rode in the different chipped truck I wouldn't
have known what to ask for, right? See my point? And that
small difference of the key off thing could influence you also.

I'm happy with all my stuff. Just wish I'd known about all the
options. (Back to WHY I posted this ... to inform!)

Cliff

 

The only way to tell the differance between chips is to install them in the same truck, as no two trucks are the same.

I recently bought a Diablo Delta chip tuned for the mods in my truck, So I can give you a comparison.

The JDM chip is a little quicker in mid and high throttle, while the JL has a little more pep in the low end to midrange. The shifting is allmost the same with the diablo just a tad firmer. At the track they are a wash, the times are allmost identical.

The only real differant thing I noticed was, if you drive the diablo on the race side on the way to the track it feels a little weird. While the JDM chip doesn't. It may be JDM has been tuning my truck longer so he knows what my truck likes.

I do like the fact that the diablo can be shifted on the fly, but I will never try it.

So to me it is a wash, the differances are very minimal and both work well.

 

Don, is the Diablo the only other kind of chip out there?

The shift differences really impressed me ... Maybe JDM
could tone it down a hair.....

 

Diablo = JL
Autologic = PSP
Superchips = JDM

JDM does not increase the shift firmness through the chip. All he does is shorten the shift duration. Something like from 6ms to 4ms........don't quote me on that one.

--Joe

 

HEH HEH HEH ... You're QUOTED!

seriously ... that would mean that the POT could be lengthened,
leaving the WOT the same for the "get-it-on" performance? Sweet!

 

12.122 on F1's is not a wash in my opinion... that
musta been one cool evening, Don !!! LOL

What kinda power mods do you have?

 

I think cliffs' main post is the differance between generic chip a, and generic chip b.

So if you call JDM or JL, or PSP and ask for a chip for wxy mods, you get z chip.

There is a big differance between the chips. Can they be modified, SURE thats the beauty of this setup. There are limitations for every chip (havent found one with autologic yet) but there are. The ability to change programs on the fly could be handy (wish calibrator was out) anyways just to help keep it on topic.

Lets start this mode of thinking:

What have you noticed on your chip;
Shift firmness at part throttle
Shift firmness at full throttle

Comfort in shifts at part throttle
Comfort in shifts at full throttle

Engaugement of lockup at part throttle
Engaugement of lockup at full throttle

Shift points at part throttle
Shift points at full throttle

Downshift points at part throttle
Downshift points at full throttle

Surprisingly you will notice a large differance from chip to chip in ANY lightning. It all boils down to what the tuners beliefs are, and what he is shooting for. Each can tune the truck anyway they want its just do you want it tuned to their tastes of yours? Something you should specify when you order (note to answer each of the questions above) I will make a tad larger yes/no question sheet later that might prove to help when selecting your chip combos.

One thing >I< noticed in cliffs truck, in the street mode with PSP the shifts are forgiving enough for daily driver (unlike that exhaust heh) vs the JDM was very hard shifting at part throttle. Now don't read anything into that, both people can change that, but just hte generic chip for me (that does alot of daily driving in his lightning) the kind shifts are nice around town, and at wot the hard shifts are there.


Brandon

 

The "Cheat Sheet" is a great idea, Brandon ...

Would the tuners do that for each truck? I dunno,
they might have "GENERIC" programs already set
up, and I don't know how hard it is to "CUSTOMISE"
the tune.

I could be a huge marketing point, I would think ...

"Bad A$$ chip - Tuned to your specifications for comfort!"

Cliff

PS.... That wasn't MY truck you were in .... <grin>

 

I need some help here ....

Shift firmness at part throttle
Shift firmness at full throttle

Since the duration controls this ... would we provide milliseconds?

Comfort in shifts at part throttle
Comfort in shifts at full throttle

Subjective I think ... I want HAMMER shifts at WOT,
comfortable ones when I'm cruising

Engagement of lockup at part throttle
Engagement of lockup at full throttle

What does TC lockup really do? I am stupid on this one.

Shift points at part throttle
Shift points at full throttle

Would this be STREET v.s. RACE type of settings?

Downshift points at part throttle
Downshift points at full throttle

Would this be STREET v.s. RACE type of settings?


Inquiring minds ya know ...