I need more info on this. It looks really nice. This is the only place I've found that sells it.

http://www.advancedperformanceengine...ccessories.htm

What else would you have to buy to go along with it? THe accessory kit? I need more info before I purchase.

 

heard of it.... wouldn't use it. I think it would be a better use of money to upgrade your intercooler. It would be benefical for the s/c engines but not nearly good enough to spend anything over $3.50 for just my .02 on that

 

Its going to be a good cooler....

 

Lightning#838,
Did you get your mods on yet?

 

Owheelies
Nope, not yet. I was out of town, that's why I didn't call you. I thought you were out of town also. I wasa going to call you on Saturday. Is that ok?

 

I'm going to Orlando Saturday for the Cruise at Old Town. Are you heading up? I was going to take the family for a long weekend at Disney, but we are doing that next week. May do mods tomorrow night call me tomorrow if you want. Trying to get ready for test & tune Friday night. Let me know.

 

Oh owheelies, I didn't get my chip back yet!!! That's why I didn't do it yet. I'm so stupid, it's really late. I can't do it tomorrow, unless the UPS man suprises me. If he comes, I'll give you a hollar.

Now, back to this N-tercooler. Spade$, why wouldn't you do it. We all know that n20 is one of the best bang for your buck mods. And by doing it this way, it doesn't put strain on the block. Also, by cooling down the intake temp, especially down here in south fla where the humidity and heat are usually off the chart, I'd probably see a nice increase in power. Let's say I get an increase of 30hp, 30tq on a dyno. Look at my mods. I already did the basic stuff. If you can name another mod that's less than $600, and gives me that much power, I'll buy it. I'm really considering this, unless someone gives me a good reason otherwise.

 

They are showing the gains on an air-to-air intercooler. I don't think this would work to well on our trucks for 2 reasons.....It won't fit inside our motor to spray the intercooler and I don't think it would make a huge temp. change if used on the heat exchanger by the time the water got to the intercooler....It would work great on lets say.... a turbo supra or a WRX.. I don't think this is what you are looking for...You might try a powercooler....
Graeme

 

the "n-tercooler" doesnt go on the intercooler... it goes in front of the intercooler radiator..



http://www.nitrousexpress.com/new_products.htm

you spray nitrous or CO2 onto the intercooler radiator (located behind front bumper) and it supercools the fluid..

or something...

 

clonetek, so you are saying this would work?

 

i think it would help out some... i think the powercooler offered by johnny lightning would be better..

http://www.johnnylightningperf.com/home.asp

 

O.K.

This could be a dumb question, but doesn't normal nitrous systems give you instantaneous(sp) power when activatedi.e. sprayed directly into the air stream)? If that is the case, then when you activated this system(either by microswitch or just normal switching techniques at WOT), wouldn't it take a few seconds to really cool down the intercooler liquid? I guess the flow from the intercooler radiator flows directly into the intercooler itself That would make the most sense, but I have never looked at the flow. I like the idea of not having to worry about ice in a supercooler, but how long would the nitrous last in this sort of set up?

Sorry for the dumb questions, but I like the idea of this set-up vs. a powercooler or supercooler with ice to worry about.

 

aggi a regeular shot of N20 has little to do with the intercooler. It's sparying n20 (and fuel if you have a wet shot) into the air stream. This is the same principle as our supercharger. It's super cooling the air and adding fuel so that when the piston cycles through it's intake phase, it's pulling in more air and fuel. More fuel and more air = power. That's why it's called the liquid supercharger. A replacement for Displacement.

Lightning# Here's what you could do for less than $600 and get the same effect. You get N20 or C02 in compressed tanks. You buy a purge system. Run a line from the purge solinoid down and infront of your intercooler radiator. Aim the nozzle(s) accross the radiator and when you spray I promiss you'll get ice on your radiator. That's what I'm planning on doing once i get my purge system for my n20 system. It will super chill the system while im stageing. Then I'm guess it'll last long enough for me to get out of the hole and maybe a little farther. By then I'll be in 2nd gear and on the N20 and the inter cooler's effect will be marginal compared to the N20 chilling effects. to buy a purge setup and a small bottle of n20 would run you $400-500 only because the bottle will cost alot if not bought in a kit. And you dont need to get all the WOT switches and other safty mechanisms bc there will be no damage from just chilling the intercooler.

Now it would be logical to try and make that setup with a regular n20 setup and try to run the n20 through that and then into the air stream, however you need to remember that there is only so much cooling potential in n20. Remember Newton's law of cooling. So trying to combine the 2 will only yield a lower cooling effect because of the added lines will allow for more heat absorbtion than just running directly to the air flow.

 

Spade$, you have a very good point and idea. But, I'm not mechanical at all. I can't custom fabricate anything at all. If I got this ntercooler, I would most likley have a shop do it. But what I'm saying is, will it work. If I bought the kit, and installed everything, how would it perform. And how much n20/co2 would you have to spray to get an effect? That's what I really want to know.

 

there would be little fabrication to this. It's all a normal kit. All you would need to buy on the side would be a few zip ties. But lets figure a comparison. The idea behind the N cooler is that there is a freezing cold gas running through that large pipe. Now the N20 is room temp while it is in the tank, unless you heat it. Which when using the N cooler would just be a waiste. So the cooling effect comes when the liquid or gas expands. Note: when something boils it is known as a cooling reaction because the molicules themselves absorbe the surrounding engery to reach the needed energy to kick the liqued atoms into a gaseous state. So that's in short how the N20 cools the air. Now as far as the N cooler works there is probly a nozzle inside that tube. The n20 or CO2 is sprayed into the tube and the molicules absorbe energy to reach their deired gaseous state. That in turn chills the air and chills the tube. The tube (which I might add is poorly designed if it is suppost to go infront of the intercooler) is in contact with the air and since it is cold, it makes the air around it cold by absorbing the heat contained within the air. Now that air passes over the intercooler and then does the same thing. It super cools the intercooler. Now for a comparison.

N cooler (passively cools air through a low efficentcy tube design, which is cooled by spraying a volitial liquid, or compressed gas through it's assembly)

The whole problem with that design is that there is VERY little surface area. And when cooling and heating things that is what you want to maximize. That's why radiators have all the strips. Now what could be done if really want to cool the intercooler would be to either, as many have suggested, get a power cooler. Now i have not used one but from what I hear they have little effect. That is only what I have heard but it probly has to do with the flow rate of air vs the actual time allowed for the air to cool. If you wanted beter cooling effects the best thing would be to just get a much taller intake manifold and a larger water-air cooler. That would allow for more time to chill the air.


Solutions. Now as far as amount as you were asking. i dont know. It really depends on the contact area (surface area), the flow rate of the cooling fluid, and other things. Even the speed that you are driving at would effect the effectiveness of the system. An alternative to this, if you are really set on gainning HP by chilling the intercooler would be to.... hang on im going to go look at the intercooler.... ill type up the rest in a min. im going to draw some stuff