'Bolt, is it your opinion that the throttle shaft will break? It doesn't seem like there would be a great amount of tension on there.

I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ with this post, so please don't take it like that, but what design element did JL steal? Surely it can't be the billet construction, that's just a material. I'm curious as to what can be so special about a t-body that makes it radically different from stock. We're only talking a few hp anyway, so what's the big deal?

Again, I'm just curious, so don't get pi$$ed.

 

I would say ~$75-100 per piece that he's not gonna get since someone else sells it.

 

Well I personally think this is a bad way to handle issue of stealing. Now it is a Issue of Slander as well. Any good lawyer could take this and make sure the person making these remarks pays dearly once proven to be false.....

As for a patent, im sure Ford or BBK has the first so each person COULD be held liable if one of them wanted to persue this. But again mainly its not who makes what, consumers want something of THEIR choice from WHO THEY LIKE, at a reasonable price. I will personally pay more for the same part, if I feel I get better service & realiability from one vendor or the other.....

 

:o

 

BABolt,

Do you have a website of products?? I have never heard of what you offer and I would like to see....

 

I bet BABolt sells more of his t/bs as will JL sell his. More people are talking about them(free advertising)--see ICUs post.

Look at restaurants---when a new one is built near an existing one, traffic goes up for both, at least after the newness wears off, if both offer good service and product.

I want ALL of 'our' vendors/tuners to do well. Hope I'm not being 'pollyannish' .

Dan

 

LightninRod, please call me asap. Tried to get you at work (only number I have) and they said you left early. Thanks

 

babolt,
I'm not saying if JL did infact steal your design that is right, but like others are saying, taking a product and improving upon it is what makes buisness buisness. If you do it for a hobby, what are you worried about. To be honest, you should have known this was comming. I work in the power equipment industry and this sort of thing happens all the time. Almost every 21 inch lawnmower now a days has what the call a roll under lip, which creates a higher vaccum for bagging the grass. This was first introduced by Snapper years ago, and none of these companies are paying royalties. Copywriting and patenting can be easily navigated. Especially now with the government trying to boost the economy. I can understand your frustration. Trust me I can. But with such a limited number of vendors, most products are being pushed by the tuners. JDM, i believe is selling yours, and the JDM guys will buy them. JL guys will buy JL's. Maybe you will have to drop your price, maybe you won't. Maybe you will just give up and give in.........

 

Not to bug so much, but with my experiences running a business, the new guys always manage to steal away a good portion of sales for a small period of time,, normally this would not be so bad, but with the economy in a recession we're looking at a smaller market as it is. Also BABolt has a very good point,, research and developement is a very lengthy and costly process. Now i am all for the busniess competition, after all, competition will drive down prices But lets see some info,, some changes, lets see exactly how a throttle body can help these trucks,, all i know is that they are supposed to increase HP, but i so far can't even see a good enough reason to buy one at all. Will it make my truck sound better,, or will i just be paying to put something shiney on my engine. everyone says there is a difference between thesse and the stock ones,, but check me if i know,, i'm still a rookie,, i can't just look at a picture and tell if the product will fail or not. As a matter of fact, i never really care about what price i pay for mods or parts, i always buy from the dealer who can give me the most valuable information and the most common courtesey to make sure that i know what i'm doing as well.

just my .02 cents though

 

While Competition is generally good for the Consumer, it is my belief that either you should come up with your own ideas and sell them or you give credit where credit is due.. In the case of a product with limited distribution you can try to work a deal from the distributor of a product or you can come up with your own. For example I have used borrowed Java scripts and other applets on my website but they are freeware and I clearly leave credit to the original programmer in the code...

In the case of a Throttle Body there are bound to be similarities but to my eye it appears that there are FAR more similarities between the BA TB and the JL TB than there are similarities between any other 2 TB's I have ever seen. The outline of the TB appears to be a mirror image of BA's. Based on the 2 pictures it appears the only truly different part is the billet arm, which was likely done as a cost savings move or due to parts availability issues or both.

The innovation that comes from competition is good. Unfortunately what I see here is not innovation but rather a reaction to the decision to establish a single distributor for a product...

The preceeding was the $0.02 of a Lightning owner and Member NOT the Moderator.

As far as the moderator is concerned I have sent an email or two to address an issue I saw here and I am watching the thread waiting for the personal attacks that typically lead to thread closure.

Doug

 

tallimeca:

How do you think JL would feel if I started selling chips with my name on them, although they were actually his program burned onto a chip with a different label?

One of the reasons why I admire BABolt's work is because it's more than functional mechanical devices and parts, it's meticulous and beautiful artwork. A funtional device is no more than a functional device. Artwork is different.

Silver_2000_!:
Your java scripts suck and you should borrow them more often.

Will this comment warrant closing the thread.

Spike

 

Doug,
That's a cool Smiley you've got there!

Roger

 

We shall see. Bickering bad. Competion GOOD!lol

 

Spike

If I had actrually ever written or significantly changed a Script I might take that as a shot but since I havent .... You'll have to try harder

Doug

 

WOW! Looks like we got the ball a rolling!
well ive been (accused) of STEALING BABolts Throttle Body Design, Ive been accussed of STEALING My SCREEN name JL, Ive been accused of THREATENING BABolt. And Diablo has been accussed of STEALING Superchips program information!ALL Publicly on this board for ALL the WORLD to see! This individual making these comments isn't as smart as i thought he was. If ANYBODY here will be facing LEGAL action its this individual who has Made FALSE accusations Not only against me but also against DiabloSport! Believe me there has been MANY changes made to the JL T.B. You named several yourself! 1 of my changes in design will PREVENT The linkage from STICKING upon light throttle pressure. This was a concern my customers had when i sold the BABolt T.B. I truley believe i have been WRONGFULLY Accused! And My name and buisness will suffer GREATLY because of these FALSE accusations!(defamation of Character) its a shame this has to be this way.

SAL: You have to be kiddin me here? Thats like the kettle calling the pot black! Just leave it alone......