Ummmmm, I'm at a loss!!! You got me on this one Doug!!!

Noelvm, I am running my stock gears(3.55), and on the 13.41 run I ran a 8.56 in the 1/8!!!

I am hopefully gonna upgrade soon to the 3.73s, but I first want to get in the 12s.

 

GOTCHA!

Webmaster Steve,

ROFLMAO.....very nice

 

Well, here's number one:

"What he said to me was that the two Lightnings that were not covered under warranty must have had an aftermarket pulley for the blower put on the end of the crankshaft without a support or something. (how can you support something that is spinning?? ).. anyway.. He said it wiped out the thrust washers or shims and that the engine lost oil pressure and locked up.. "

Here's number two:

"Is the pulley that everyone talkes about the one that wiggles when the truck is running?"

Here's number three:

"Lots of people including me would like to know what dealer is going to fully warranty a JL equipped Lightning?"

These posts would be innocent if it weren't for the fact that you know all about this stuff and you sell and install JDM parts, and therefore you made the posts with the known intention of making the "other" vendors stuff look bad with made up problems. So that means that you created a new screenname, and came here "annonymously" for the sole purpose of bashing JL and myself. Personally I find it pretty pathetic that someone who has a shop and installs these parts would act like a 3 year old and play these kind of games. If I were a customer looking for work I know I sure wouldn't want to take my truck to your shop now; who knows what you would do it just to make your "vendor" look good.


So I guess you should start apologizing, but then again, I doubt you will since the bashing is why you did this all in the first place...

SAL

 

Well said SAL.

JJ knows all the facts and most of us do to...

Some people just can't admit it when they makes mistakes. They always have to be right........:o

DL

 

How can asking questions be considered bashing? yes I stated a hypothetical situation which I believe will happen one day because nobody has posted the engineering that went into their lower pulley design, and when something does happen to someones truck, you guys disapear. see the othere thread about warranty denied..

the wiggling pulley thing was in reference to the tensioner that bounces/wiggles while running. I wanted to see what everyones response would be.

The reason I asked questions and came up with that situation was I wanted to see what everyone would say about it. Nobody on F150 talks about it, and none of the tuners that frequent here can explain why they dont utilize the support bracket. I believe that you are doing your customers a diservice by not using it.(that is my personal opinion)

Call me a 3 year old all you want to. I have NEVER said that JL, or PSP products are junk. EVER. I have only doubted the engineering that goes into them, when someones sig says "dyno's walk, et's talk" that means to me that you either dont have one, or you dont care to use one to get data on what you have just put on or designed or changed with a particular product.
there is someone here still waiting for answers on a particular torque converter question, how long is it gonna take for that data to be given to him? any one of you tuners should have that in your mind or in a book written down.

Yes the trucks go faster with the everybody's parts, everyone is going faster and that is great, but mention JDM on this site and you are called names, called a basher of other tuners, and so on.

My intention is not to bash anyone, only to try to give people a different aproach to their thinking on what is good for them.

You can defend yourself here anytime someone posts about your products. But someone else cant.

I apologize if I offended anyone, but think about what you are doing to your trucks, think about what you are doing as tuners to make these trucks go faster, and not only think about what the numbers say on the board at the track, but think about how long that truck will last and what long term affects your product will have on your customer. I am not saying anyone is better than anyone else. I am just saying that their needs to be an outlet for all sides to be represented, all views, all thoughts, all opinions, without being discrimitive toward someone just for their affilitaion.


Doug, Steve, I am not starting anything, just responding, I know who runs this site and I respect that. This will be my last response on the topic of tuners and so on, just gonna sit back now and watch for a while.. Steven G (anybody figure that one out yet)

 

The problem is that YOU don't have that info, so it must not exist. This topic has been covered MANY times, on multiple boards and the information you are looking for has been explained. I was educating people on the pulley subject probably before you owned your truck.

That's fine if that's what you meant, but that's NOT what you wrote.

I don't really care what you think, since you base your info on things that "could" happen, not actual data. YOU are the one doing a diservice to everyone by putting thoughts into peoples heads of what you THINK could happen because that's what your vendor told you.

Sure you did. You made up a fake name, and came here with made up "hypothetical" negative info on the pulley that I designed and JL also sells. To even deny that you are bashing PSP and JL just makes you even less credible.

Well, I'm not the one who said that, so I'm not going to comment on that quote. However, if I were you, I wouldn't talk so loud about people who don't own or use dynos..

Agian, that doesn't really have anything to with me. When asked for info, he was asking JL. Since I also sell the PI covnerter, I offered my services to help, but was not taken up on it, so I left it between him and JL.

Nobody cares if you mention JDM on this site. It's a free world (ruled by Steve and Doug). The problem is that JDM guys don't just come here and brag about thier parts. They come here, brag about thier parts, and then bash the other vendors. There's no need for that, and it's been happening since the beggining of time.

And what makes you think you know what's "good" for everyone?

Right, and there's no need for that someone else to defend because other vendors customers DON'T BASH EACH OTHER! Maybe you should follow that example.


I used to have some respect for you. Even though you voiced your opinion rather loudly, you still always seemed to just want to find out what made things tick and why. But now you're just playing stupid games and trying to stir things up.

 

Sal,

You have mail. =)

Everybody else,

Grab a beer, order some wings and watch some football!!!!

Peace, love, happiness and really, really fast trucks!

 

Well put AGAIN Sal,


JJ/Gomie Joe,

Are your going to hop on your soap box and start beating your chest how you are/were supposedly "wronged" because some of us don't agree/care what you think?

I've said it on NLOC and SVT so here it goes AGAIN.....Does Jim know (since you are "affiliated") that, in essence, you are making HIM look bad with your ramblings???



Doug/Steve,

Please pull thy trigger, again.

(edited to correct spelling errors JJ)

 

Sal,

Good post on the issues at hand. I just want to make this clear about what you said in your post.

I DO NOT DO THAT!!!! I have respect for all vendors parts and performance of those parts. I do not want to be limited by the expressions of a certain individual because I choose a certain product.

Sal, I have spoken to you on these boards several times and you know I am very civil with my responces and with my convictions.

There have been cross bashing on other boards that you are not aware of and some have occured on NLOC. I am not going to give names but they posted in this thread and have mocked me and the tuner I work with numerous times on his board. I am not condoning this other individuals actions at all, but its not right for me to hear what so and so did and then when I post some info I have I get torn apart.

The one thing I do not like very much is to be made fun of for what I choose and that is exactly what these people have done.

I am only posting on this thread again to be out of the group who bashes PSP and JL products and that is not me. Sal and JL, you know this!!!

The reason I am against bashing other people and products is because pathes cross and people REMEMBER!!!! I don't want to be remembered for saying so and so's products suck and all that mess.

Sal, please do not include me!! MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR!!!

 

2_FAST4U, I have the upmost respect for you as being one of the most mature JDM customers. I also enjoy the conversations that you and I have.

BTW, I don't want to make it sound like EVERY JDM customer is a trouble maker. This is, of course, not true. But 95% of the trouble making posters here are JDM customers bashing other vendors. Sure JL and myself have our own loyal customers that do the same, but in not nearly the numbers. I personally don't care whos parts you run, if you're happy, who am I to argue? I have been in this Lightning community for many years, and I have personal friends who run everyones products. Doesn't bother me one bit. But the people like JJ are the ones who keep these stupid "tuner wars" going. Everyone gets along fine at the events, why can't people do the same on the net?

 

Sal,

You've got mail.


I also agree with you totally on your point!!!

 

The IRONY here is SOO deep I need a snorkle.

I am NOT going to take any action yet. I KNOW that Jim@JDM reads these boards and I would bet he has already caught on to the childishness that is occuring here.

Since the last action I took didnt stick I will leave the next actions to Jim and Steve.

Ok I'll let you all in on a small taste of the irony. Jim@jdm was considering becoming a supporting vendor here. He wanted JJ to be his mouth piece "Online".
A couple days ago I found out he wanted to speak to me..... He wanted me to "Do Something" about the Newbie thread.

Hold on a second I have to cough, it is getting so deep some of the irony was coming down the snorkle.

LOL

Doug

 

Wait a minute Joe, on your first post you stated there were 3 L's in the dealer being serviced, 2 with damage from an aftermarket pullies without support brackets. Without confirming this "info" of course. How's this not bashing?
Again,... that Logic class begs for your attendance.

 

I have said some stuff on other boards that I wish I hadn't, but live and learn. It's in the past. I forget that not just the people I know read these threads but lots of people who don't even post. I've bought stuff from 3 major lightning product sellers, and a new used chip from JDM. If one product works better than another I'm going to say something. If a vendor doesn't deliver when he says I think people should know. I don't think that is bashing, but everyone has their own opinion. I'll try to be better.

 

Well, Easter, I was trying to keep it anonymous, but you brought it into the light.

I think, and yes, it is my opinion, that tuner bashing on all sides has gotten wayyyyy out of hand.

I think that people who look at this site and do not post must think we are a bunch of immature idiots with nothing better to do.

I just choose one particular tuner and that is my choice. I think to a point I have been exiled from the group of mass posters of this site due to my affiliation with JDM. I do not think that is fair to everyone on this board who might gain from what I tell them about my experiences with certain products.

I will admit, no, I have not tried any other tuners' products and that is my fault because I am the type of person that if something works for you, stick with it! I do however plan on making purchases of other products for further testing. You never know, I might find that magical combination.

I know how JJ feels to a point, I just don't express those feelings the way he does, I am sure he feels the same way I do on certain points of the anti-JDM attitude that is felt on this board.

I find that certain people have a very hard nosed opinion about JDM due the pulley situation and I COMPLETELY understand that, BUT, I don't think that gives the right to hound a certain person to death on the subject and that includes me, because like I said in an earlier post I have been ripped apart by posting info on certain JDM products and it all revolves around the pulley deal.

I just think we should find a common ground like easterisland did and try to persue other products, I know I will.


I am sure this post will be flamed to death and thats ok, just as long as you see my point.