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Old Jul 24, 2001 | 10:15 PM
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Need washer/cam bolt clarification

I need some help with the washer/cam bolt fix. I've searched for this information and could not find all the answers to my questions. If anyone knows a thread that can answer these questions please point me in the right direction.

1) Do the 01s need this fix? I looked at the left side rear bolt and it looks to me like it has shifted do to a slight scrape mark next to the stock wahser. I thought I read somewhere the 01s did not have slots for the washers.

2) I purchased Herb's washers. I thought I read somewhere that the two washers both go on the left side. If this is true, what about the right side, does the right side also need the washers?

3) I understand that I need the cam bolts when using the washers. I read somewhere that you need two set of cam bolts (when ordering from Napa) for a total of four bolt sets. If I am only putting washers on the left side, why do I need cam bolts for the right side also?

Thanks in advance for your help and patience with a new L owner.
 
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Old Jul 24, 2001 | 10:33 PM
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Both Herb's washers go on the driver's side. The cam-bolt kits goes on both sides. The 01's are slotted and as you have seen they do move. Herb's washers take care of the movement. By doing so they alter the fatory alignment. The cam-bolt kit will allow the camber to be adjusted. Even without Herb's washers the cam bolts are necessary to get the alignment in spec. They are usually close without the cam-bolts but not exact. I will post the Lightning alignment specs tomorrow.
 
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Old Jul 24, 2001 | 10:34 PM
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i just bought a 01, and within a week, my bolt and washers was sliding all around. I work as a ford mechanic, so i got the toothed washers like the tsb for the 99 and 00s calls for, and put them on, only to find it already had them, so i tightened them again. Well, this weekend, i heard them move again and sure enough, i put it on my lift today and it had moved, so i centered them up and welded the washers in place. Ha Ha fixed that. I'll put it on the alignment machine later, but i really think where i welded them at, its either just right or close enough.
 
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Old Jul 25, 2001 | 10:56 AM
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Anyone know why the washers are not required on the passenger side?
 
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Old Jul 25, 2001 | 12:27 PM
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This might help:
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...ight=alignment
 
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Old Jul 25, 2001 | 01:14 PM
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OK now I am totally confused. I have el Clunk going up drive ways. So is this what jacks up the alignment? Are the cam bolts factory items that got shelved for savings and do we need tehm for proper alignment? Will the cam bolts get rid of clunk? Should I grease steering stops and do herbs + cam bolts?
Is this the best way to go? Sorry so many questions, but reading this post, and the link totally confused me! Thanks
 
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Old Jul 25, 2001 | 03:00 PM
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Cam-bolts need for the alignment, will not fix the clunk. You need the cam-bolt, herb's washers, and grease the stops.
 
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Old Jul 25, 2001 | 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by Gyxer
Anyone know why the washers are not required on the passenger side?
The front suspension/steering is aligned as a unit. With the steering link(toe-in/out adjustement) locked, only 1 point of adjustment is needed to get both wheels in spec. So, the factory will thread the steering link to the correct spot for the toe-in/out, and then move the bolt in the driver side slot to get the correct camber on both sides.

We (consumers) adjust a point (the upper arm mount) with the cambolts, that was not touched by the factory except for installation...
 
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Old Jul 25, 2001 | 04:28 PM
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Reading through all this stuff about having to buy cam bolts to align properly and herbs washers to fix the clunk, and having to grease the stops. And
The front suspension/steering is aligned as a unit. With the steering link(toe-in/out adjustement) locked, only 1 point of adjustment is needed to get both wheels in spec. So, the factory will thread the steering link to the correct spot for the toe-in/out, and then move the bolt in the driver side slot to get the correct camber on both sides.
I can only think of 1 thing, what was going through Fords mind when then built this?
 
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Old Jul 25, 2001 | 05:50 PM
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L Strikes:
Can you tell me the tsb number for the 99 & 00's. My local Ford Dealer cannot find anything on the subject.
I also have a new 01 with 900 miles and it is clunking. The setup is different than the 00 that I looked. Probably like yours.

David
2001 - Stock for now, but not for long!!
 
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Old Jul 25, 2001 | 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by captainoblivious
I can only think of 1 thing, what was going through Fords mind when then built this?
They designed a procedure that can do 1.5 million of the same (or small variations) assemblies per year...
 
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Old Jul 26, 2001 | 02:23 AM
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BlackLight: thanks, that is the information I was looking for.

Silver-Bolt: did you ever post the alignment specs?
 
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Old Jul 26, 2001 | 01:42 PM
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Lightning specs:
L.H. Caster: 6.9, +/- 1.0 Deg.
R.H. Caster: 7.4, +/- 1.0 Deg.
L.H. Camber: -0.5, +/- 0.7 Deg.
R.H. Camber: -0.5, +/- 0.7 Deg.
L.H. Toe: -0.05, +/- 0.15
R.H. Toe: -0.05, +/- 0.15

Base F150: (tolerances same as above)
L.H. Caster: 6.2
R.H. Caster: 6.7
L.H. Camber: -0.3
R.H. Camber: -0.3
L.H. Toe: 0.03
R.H. Toe: 0.03

Lightning Autocross specs:
LH Camber -1 to -3 tire dependent
RH Camber -1 to -3
LH Toe : 0.0
RH Toe : 0.0
 
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