Arrested for breaking any law?
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From: Duncanville, Tx
quickdraw,
Tx doesn't have any "infractions". All criminal statutes are either misdemeanor (3 different levels) or felony (4 levels). Almost all traffic violations are Class C misdememanors, which is the lowest level.
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Tx doesn't have any "infractions". All criminal statutes are either misdemeanor (3 different levels) or felony (4 levels). Almost all traffic violations are Class C misdememanors, which is the lowest level.
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Hurricane,
Let me start by directing you to reread my post. There's quotes around the first half of the post. Also, don't assume that because I live in CA that I am a "bleeding heart liberal". I own a lightning ( a few) I race bikes. I enjoy shooting. I am the exact opposite as you portrayed me friend. How many liberal ball-less owners of Lightnings do you know? And what's even better is your verification that some Truck owners are indeed Redneck uneducated citizens.
Now, Mrbrbeque, you have said what I always believe. There is currently no review of old laws in our country. In Montana if you see 7 Indians together you can assume they are a war party and shoot them on site! We need law review. The problem is most of our represenatives forgot that they are our servants and instead they seek for relection through legislation. They feel the public needs to see results of some sort. What ever happened to "all's quiet on the watch tower"?
Awile back, possibly in another forum, someone posted the cute little quote that a society without laws is the same as anarchy. sure, it's the defintion of anarchy! Assuming people are inherently bad (which I don't beleive) allows anarchy to be used as a negative buz word. The human race know what's right and how to handle themselves. They just don't want to I suppose.
You see Larry, we're on the same side, even if we come from different back grounds. If you want to demonize where I live or the policies of my state, feel free. Don't ever try to rally memebers of the board against me though using such poor rationale and expecting a litany from fellow board members.
Rallying LghtngRod solely is only evidence of the intelligence of your post.
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Let me start by directing you to reread my post. There's quotes around the first half of the post. Also, don't assume that because I live in CA that I am a "bleeding heart liberal". I own a lightning ( a few) I race bikes. I enjoy shooting. I am the exact opposite as you portrayed me friend. How many liberal ball-less owners of Lightnings do you know? And what's even better is your verification that some Truck owners are indeed Redneck uneducated citizens.
Now, Mrbrbeque, you have said what I always believe. There is currently no review of old laws in our country. In Montana if you see 7 Indians together you can assume they are a war party and shoot them on site! We need law review. The problem is most of our represenatives forgot that they are our servants and instead they seek for relection through legislation. They feel the public needs to see results of some sort. What ever happened to "all's quiet on the watch tower"?
Awile back, possibly in another forum, someone posted the cute little quote that a society without laws is the same as anarchy. sure, it's the defintion of anarchy! Assuming people are inherently bad (which I don't beleive) allows anarchy to be used as a negative buz word. The human race know what's right and how to handle themselves. They just don't want to I suppose.
You see Larry, we're on the same side, even if we come from different back grounds. If you want to demonize where I live or the policies of my state, feel free. Don't ever try to rally memebers of the board against me though using such poor rationale and expecting a litany from fellow board members.
Rallying LghtngRod solely is only evidence of the intelligence of your post.
I suddenly remember the two cartoon dogs, one the big bull dog and the the other the hyper little ****zu...
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moonshine--
thank you for bringing that to my attention. as i said above, i don't know about texas laws. question: is an infraction an official type of misdemeanor (UT also has misdemeanors in three classes called class A, B, and C)?
for clarification about UT law: an infraction is an offense of the law punishable by a fine only, no imprisonment. also, it is NOT a misdemeanor. in UT, all misdemeanors and felonies carry the potential of a fine and imprisonment (length of imprisonment and amount of fine depend on the severity of the offense).
mrbbqman--
voodoo witch? you are a riot!
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thank you for bringing that to my attention. as i said above, i don't know about texas laws. question: is an infraction an official type of misdemeanor (UT also has misdemeanors in three classes called class A, B, and C)?
for clarification about UT law: an infraction is an offense of the law punishable by a fine only, no imprisonment. also, it is NOT a misdemeanor. in UT, all misdemeanors and felonies carry the potential of a fine and imprisonment (length of imprisonment and amount of fine depend on the severity of the offense).
mrbbqman--
voodoo witch? you are a riot!
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Quickdraw,
Good post. Great incite (pun). No really, that was great information. The problem I think with law enforcement versus a citizen is that to make one side more secure, the other side must give up freedoms. I still believe that California's Assault Weapon ban violated the 2nd amendment whole heartedly.
I also believe, after reviewing the issues before the justices, that this decision is unconsitutional. I believe it to be an unreasonable siezure. I refuse to admit that our founding fathers would prefer to error on the side of law, and instead always choose freedom.
Quickdraw, your post is food for thought though. No way would I think yours was a flame, Now Larry's...his was illegible.
Good post. Great incite (pun). No really, that was great information. The problem I think with law enforcement versus a citizen is that to make one side more secure, the other side must give up freedoms. I still believe that California's Assault Weapon ban violated the 2nd amendment whole heartedly.
I also believe, after reviewing the issues before the justices, that this decision is unconsitutional. I believe it to be an unreasonable siezure. I refuse to admit that our founding fathers would prefer to error on the side of law, and instead always choose freedom.
Quickdraw, your post is food for thought though. No way would I think yours was a flame, Now Larry's...his was illegible.
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http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/24apr20011100/www.supremecourtu s.gov/opinions/00pdf/99-1408.pdf
this link (i hope it works) is for the actual brief submitted by the justices in this case. it's worth reading to get an accurate understanding of the case (and not a media-take as pointed out by others). this might prevent a knee jerk reaction by folks who do not have "all the facts".
regards....
holeshot--
i agree also that our founding fathers would err towards freedom as opposed to restriction (ever read "The Federalist Papers"? worth reading to get an accurate picture of what they really thought about establishing the Constitution--believe it or not, some of us cops are not on power trips but are actually very well-educated--but we are a minority out on the street).
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this link (i hope it works) is for the actual brief submitted by the justices in this case. it's worth reading to get an accurate understanding of the case (and not a media-take as pointed out by others). this might prevent a knee jerk reaction by folks who do not have "all the facts".
regards....
holeshot--
i agree also that our founding fathers would err towards freedom as opposed to restriction (ever read "The Federalist Papers"? worth reading to get an accurate picture of what they really thought about establishing the Constitution--believe it or not, some of us cops are not on power trips but are actually very well-educated--but we are a minority out on the street).
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quickdraw,
I think that offenses that would be considered an infraction in Ut are what we'd call a Class C misdemeanor. With a limited number of exceptions (the legislature can't be totally consistent on anything) Class C's are criminal offenses punishable by fine only. However, Class C's (except for speeding) are arrestable offenses.
I think that offenses that would be considered an infraction in Ut are what we'd call a Class C misdemeanor. With a limited number of exceptions (the legislature can't be totally consistent on anything) Class C's are criminal offenses punishable by fine only. However, Class C's (except for speeding) are arrestable offenses.
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Holeshot, I’m not sure where to go from here. Apparently you are as close to a bleeding heart as I am to an uneducated redneck. Now that we have the stereotypes between you and me resolved, let me say that I missed the quotes, and I was WRONG. What was inside your quotes was the opinion of the bleeding heart liberal MEDIA? You did not quote your source for the information, and I assumed (an a$$ out of u and me) it was you.
I am disappointed that you believe I need to rally any members against you. I do not control anyone, and they are free to believe and say what they want. You did ask for opinions. I expect you will apologize and retract your threat, as I have apologized to you for being misled.
I am disappointed that you believe I need to rally any members against you. I do not control anyone, and they are free to believe and say what they want. You did ask for opinions. I expect you will apologize and retract your threat, as I have apologized to you for being misled.
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Larry,
This thread'll get closed soon if we keep at this, and I really don't want that. I asked for opinions on the ruliing, not opinions judging me. That does not help the debate.
I used the NAACP reference because this gives more amunition to racial arrest cases, justified or not. It's yet another mehtod for bottlenecking the courts. I'm not a card carrying NAACP member and disagree with actions they take. It was nice to know that you had this great image of me in your head though.
This thread'll get closed soon if we keep at this, and I really don't want that. I asked for opinions on the ruliing, not opinions judging me. That does not help the debate.
I used the NAACP reference because this gives more amunition to racial arrest cases, justified or not. It's yet another mehtod for bottlenecking the courts. I'm not a card carrying NAACP member and disagree with actions they take. It was nice to know that you had this great image of me in your head though.
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moonshine--
thanks for the info.
mrbbqman--
forgiven. i wouldn't have taken offense unless you had hit too close to home. but since you hadn't...
holeshot--
thank you for what i will consider a great compliment. i highly recommend a complete reading of The Federalist Papers. yes, some of them are extremely boring, but others are extremely exciting and provide valuable insights into the debate between three of the framers of the Consitution regarding how the emerging republic (note that the US is NOT a democracy despite the common belief) should treat state vs federal issues and where the control should be. the end result was the Constitution and Bill of Rights with checks and balances to try and control the powers. is it a perfect document? of course not. is it the perfect government? i would argue that it is not (simply because of the inherent conflicts of interest that remain unresolved). but it is a darn fine government system in spite of its flaws. and that's what makes the US so great and why others try to emulate the US. because we have a good system of government despite its weaknesses. it has been said that the top three most influential documents that affect how we live are 1) the Declaration of Independence, 2) the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and 3) The Federalist Papers.
it's too bad that too many people have never read the Declaration of Independnece, let alone the Constitution or Bill or Rights. that's so amusing when joe citizen tells me i am violating their "rights" or demands to know what their "rights" are. i usually point out that they ought to have an attorney answer their specific questions but that most of the answers can be found in those two documents. i should start keeping copies in my patrol vehicle to hand out to people who whine on the way to jail (i couldn't resist smiling just now)....
you asked for opinions. and you got them.
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thanks for the info.
mrbbqman--
forgiven. i wouldn't have taken offense unless you had hit too close to home. but since you hadn't...
holeshot--
thank you for what i will consider a great compliment. i highly recommend a complete reading of The Federalist Papers. yes, some of them are extremely boring, but others are extremely exciting and provide valuable insights into the debate between three of the framers of the Consitution regarding how the emerging republic (note that the US is NOT a democracy despite the common belief) should treat state vs federal issues and where the control should be. the end result was the Constitution and Bill of Rights with checks and balances to try and control the powers. is it a perfect document? of course not. is it the perfect government? i would argue that it is not (simply because of the inherent conflicts of interest that remain unresolved). but it is a darn fine government system in spite of its flaws. and that's what makes the US so great and why others try to emulate the US. because we have a good system of government despite its weaknesses. it has been said that the top three most influential documents that affect how we live are 1) the Declaration of Independence, 2) the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and 3) The Federalist Papers.
it's too bad that too many people have never read the Declaration of Independnece, let alone the Constitution or Bill or Rights. that's so amusing when joe citizen tells me i am violating their "rights" or demands to know what their "rights" are. i usually point out that they ought to have an attorney answer their specific questions but that most of the answers can be found in those two documents. i should start keeping copies in my patrol vehicle to hand out to people who whine on the way to jail (i couldn't resist smiling just now)....
you asked for opinions. and you got them.
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Oh god...im crapping in my pants! Just more excuses for cops to arrest me. Hell i might as well move to china...i have a better chance there. If a cop arrests me for an offense i didnt do...why wouldnt he arrest me for something i do that is so minor?
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I want to know how the lady ws acting after the cop pulled her over. Does she have a past record for such traffic violations. Is she a repeat offender.
I know of a case where a women tried suing a cop because he arrested her for not placing her child in a seat belt. She said it was abuse of power. ended up she had been pulled over twice by the same cop and at least once more by his partner for the same infraction. She also started cussing and throwing things because the cop would not give her a warning.
The news as the ability to misinform the public for ratings and hype. Never believe the news as its told.
I know of a case where a women tried suing a cop because he arrested her for not placing her child in a seat belt. She said it was abuse of power. ended up she had been pulled over twice by the same cop and at least once more by his partner for the same infraction. She also started cussing and throwing things because the cop would not give her a warning.
The news as the ability to misinform the public for ratings and hype. Never believe the news as its told.
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From: Stuart, Fl
Holeshot,
Keep an open mind for a second and re-read my reply post from above a couple of times. Here it is in it's entirety:
I understand where you are coming from! I apologized for my NAACP comment. You then stated
which I understood from your reply before this one. I’m NOT uneducated and you are NOT a bleeding heart. That is what I stated above. WE ARE ON THE SAME SIDE! Therefore, I expect you to retract your threat when we didn’t understand each other. Do you have a problem with that?
Keep an open mind for a second and re-read my reply post from above a couple of times. Here it is in it's entirety:
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> Holeshot, I’m not sure where to go from here. Apparently you are as close to a bleeding heart as I am to an uneducated redneck. Now that we have the stereotypes between you and me resolved, let me say that I missed the quotes, and I was WRONG. What was inside your quotes was the opinion of the bleeding heart liberal MEDIA? You did not quote your source for the information, and I assumed (an a$$ out of u and me) it was you.
I am disappointed that you believe I need to rally any members against you. I do not control anyone, and they are free to believe and say what they want. You did ask for opinions. I expect you will apologize and retract your threat, as I have apologized to you for being misled. </font>
I am disappointed that you believe I need to rally any members against you. I do not control anyone, and they are free to believe and say what they want. You did ask for opinions. I expect you will apologize and retract your threat, as I have apologized to you for being misled. </font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> I used the NAACP reference because this gives more amunition to racial arrest cases, justified or not. It's yet another mehtod for bottlenecking the courts. I'm not a card carrying NAACP member and disagree with actions they take.</font>
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