Well the dealer put the 2001 engine in my 2000 truck and after one 40 mile trip home, I am not pleased. I cannot get over the fact that I cannot use all the HP that is technically available in the engine. they basically used all my 2000 parts to make the 2001 work and i just cannot get that out of my mind so i am about to start the proceedings for a ford assist to replace my truck. has anyone out there had any experience with this procedure? if this does not work, i plan to take legal action through the florida lemon law, or a private attorney if necessary. I may lose and be stuck with what i got, but they are gonna have a fight of it.

i liken it to going to the store and buying an automatic shotgun and on your way out the clerk puts a plug in the magazine so you can only load one shell at a time. if i can't have all the HP the engine has in it, I am not gonna be satisfied. they can either give me a 2000 engine or a 2001 truck!!!

so if anyone knows about this Ford Assist program please let me know if I have a chance.

thanks,

phil

 

The lemon law is a difficult thing here in illinois and thats dealing with mercedes. My father has a 98 S500 and has nothing but problems with the car. He's had it into 12 different shops and over 20 times for the same thing, and still no fix. He went to court and won against mercedes and was supposed to get back 80,000 for the price of the car and another 20,000 for other stuff with the case. Well this was about a year ago that the court decided this. As soon as he won the case, mercedes apealed the decision and still have not taken care of the problem. Now this is mercedes benz that where talking about. they have a reputation to keep up and they won't pay for the damages. Well he still hasn't gone back to court, but I'm sure he'll win again. My father was even on the channel 5 news in an interview talking about the case. So I wouldn't expect ford to be much different on the case and its probably going to be difficult, but go for it.

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I'm really not sure I understand your point. They sent you a 2001 motor, and the dealer put the intake and blower off your truck onto the new motor. So now you have the same exact thing as if you got a 2000 motor. If they would have sent you a 2000 motor, you would have the same thing you have now. And if they would have sent a reman motor instead of a line motor, they would have used A LOT more off your old engine. You don't really have any kind of lemon law case, unless I'm not getting what you are complaining about.

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SAL - TEAM PSP

 

Some of us here in Florida still think just because we voted for Bush we should still have Gore. I guess it's the same thing for BEARIT. He got his 2000 motor for his 2000 truck, but he wants something for nothing. The warrantee just says they will fix it if it breaks, not, “Gee we’re sorry, can we somehow upgrade you”.

The good question is this: What are they doing with the scraps? Do they get returned to the engine assembly plant and get installed on another NEW motor? Or do they go on a remanufactured motor? Is there a way I could buy these parts that were removed from the replacement motor at a discount? Who would I contact?

 

I'm not sure what you mean by available horsepower. I had a 2001 long block put in my 99 and they cannot (will not) include the blower etc. Wiring harness is different, intake is bigger etc. otherwise the long block is the same engine as the 99 2000. Were you expecting the 2001 horsepower? Did you dyno it? Mine runs fine, 12.7 last week at Moroso in warm, humid (read Florida) weather. I am looking forward to tonite as there is a slight dip in the temp today, maybe get a new PR......Ken

 

You have a 2000 model, it broke, they fixed it.........Where's the beef?

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Thanks to everyone who responded to my post. Here are my replies.

To the Tuner: no it ain't the exact same thing. If that were so then why not call all the engines the same without year models. just pick one and put it in and hope for the best.

To Larry: No I am not wanting something for nothing. Just what I paid for which was a 2000 model truck with all 2000 model parts. I did not pay for a mish-mash of parts. And I certainly did not pay for the extra rattle I had in the new enginge this a.m. and i did not pay for the fact that yesterday at 120 mph it politely refused to go any faster, which by the way was about 20 mph slower than it ran before the swap.

To Ken: Yes if the 2001 has more HP which it supposedly does, then I want it. I paid for the maximum performance out of this truck and to me that means every drop of HP the engine has to offer and if I ain't getting it out of this new engine, for whatever reason, then again, i am not getting what i paid for.

And to Cabraco: it was broke, and no they did not fix it, they patched it up and sent me on my way.

We will see how it unfolds but they have a battle ahead. may cost me more than another truck would in the long run but when i pay what these trucks cost i expect to be fully satisfied. AND I AIN't

Phil

 

I'm curious. Could you describe in detail how your engine is different than the engine in my 2000 L, other than stating that it has new parts.

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Phil, let me see if I can elaborate on what I said. There are two types of replacement motors, line motors, and reman motors. Ford warrenty and policy manual says that the current 2 model years (00 and 01 right now) will get a line motor, if available. A line motor, is a motor that is pulled off the assembly line, ready to drop in a vehicle.

Any vehicle older than two years, is supposed to get a reman motor. These motors are remanufactured to Ford standards by outside Ford authorized companies. When they come, they are usually long blocks. No intakes, no valve, oil or timing covers.

Since I am also a Ford tech, I will tell you what happens in both situations at the dealer. If you get a line motor, and all it's parts are the same as the vehicle it's going into, then the entire motor goes in. Trust me, techs want to change as little as possible on motor jobs If something is different, then the parts from your vehicle must be installed on the new motor. It's not just a matter of whether the new parts will pyhsically fit or not. If they put that 01 intake and blower on your truck, and down the line you have warrenty problems, you could get stuck with the bill when the dealer puts the 01 part number on your warrenty claim and Ford denies it because it's the wrong part.

When dealers do reman motors, they are bare long blocks, like I said earlier. If you got a reman motor, they would have used your intake, blower, valve covers, oil pan, timing cover, and all the small parts off your motor. So be glad you got a line motor, because you got a lot more new stuff on that

You are not "entitled" to get the 01 stuff. Yes you paid for the basic warrenty when you bought the truck, but that doesn't mean you can change the rules to it. You remove the intake and blower off that 01 motor, and it's the same exact thing as a 99/00 motor with no intake and blower.

Now as for your performance complaints, that's a different and valid issue. If the truck does not perform as it should, then something is wrong, and the dealer should do what's needed to fix it. Hope this helps.

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Sal:

That was a very informative, interesting piece. Thanks!

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Sandy (Spider) Scott
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Apopka, Florida
99 White Lightning #2091 (Sold) Now Audi TT Quattro Roadster
I Miss The L

 

You paid for a 360 hp Lightning. You still have a 360 hp Lightning. The difference on the 01 motor is from the lower intake up. If they put your upper parts on, you have exactly what you paid for. Why don't you tell ford that you wan't free 3.73 gears too... because the 01's have'em! Get a grip on reality. Lloyd