Enough with the nitrous and chip talk. Nitrous is nitrous and chips are chips. Has anyone out there really modified his or her truck,e.g. head work, different cam,different supercharger,etc. If so, how about some posts. I'd like to hear about some streetable modified lightnings running more than 450 RWHP without nitrous. What did each of you do and how much did it cost? Also, if you did not do the work yourself, who did the work? I am particularly interested in South Florida shops.

 

Hi Lightning/Asp,

Some amazing mods, what do you think.

FD
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FD, I hope you have a decoder ring for what you wrote:

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I agree with you theorie about the G-Tech.
Butt come one, If your math is raid, JL runs 12s he should have a gain from more or less 160 hp, looking ad his mods I do not understand, please tell us the secret.
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What concerns me is if you write that poorly when you’re trying to convey what you’re thinking, why do I believe you will remotely understand my response. Good luck FD. For everyone else who cares what I have to say on the subject, here it goes…..
First off FD, maybe I’m too old to understand how “math is raid”, but I do know how to use a basic algebraic equation. Based on the 111.5mph/4830lbs race weight pass that JohnnyLightning posted last week, he is generating approximately 580 net HP. JohnnyLightning also graciously posted the environmental conditions of that run, 41 degF, 57% humidity, and the all-important extraordinary barometric pressure of 31.2 in Hg so that we can put his pass into perspective. These are almost perfect conditions (lower humidity would have been better ). If his ‘Powercooler’ is set up right, he could have seen intake temperatures as low as 50 degF after the supercharger/intercooler! His combination of low pressure losses on the intake, an extremely cool air charge after the intercooler, an unheard-of-in-Arizona barometric pressure, 10+psig total boost pressure, high octane fuel, an optimized fuel/timing map on his chip for the slower burning fuel, reduced inertia by eliminating the fan and running an aluminum driveshaft, it is not surprising that JL is making 200 net HP more than ‘stock’! In addition, you are still stuck on the “12’s”. Again, ET does NOT have a direct relationship with HP. There are way too many variables in ET for algebra to predict accurately.

I haven’t unearthed any secrets, I’ve just reiterated what JohnnyLightning has previously posted. So FD, do you understand now?

Joel…..

 

I have no idea what the last post is about (sounds like FD is having a conversation with himself)...

but in response to your question, two 50 lb bags of sand in the bed to help traction is, in your words, a "heavy mod."

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The only attempt I have seen so far is TOPGUN otherwise just alot of plug and players on this forum. The heads are a problem for making big horses. Some of these guys are reaching mid to low 12's w/o nos with simple mod's and that's pretty good in my book. I don't know if 450rwhp is possible with this motor without better heads than Ford has to offer (just my .05's worth)

Flying D -- Yikes, I havent seen anything from JL about dynoing @ 450 plus rwhp did I miss something?

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he Spike and MNLightning,

In a previous thread somebody is explaining to me ho to gain 220hp - going from 360Hp to 580Hp amazing. Not bad at all.

https://www.f150online.com/f150board...ML/010773.html

FD

 

I saw that post once - just another chip/ET/gostraightandcoast discussion. To put it in perspective, see my question at https://www.f150online.com/f150board...ML/011009.html

Regards,

spike

 

Spike,

Your point is well taken.


FD

 

MNLightning, and Lightning/ASP, TopGun was at the door of 500 h.p. last I heard, with the stock heads, piston, cams, blah blah blah...his add ons were, air intake, exhaust, and of course the paxton novi added onto his Eaton. Wonder what everhappened to him.

And like mentioned above, going low 12's in these trucks, with the stock heads, converter, pistons, cams, blah blah blah, is damn good in my book. ESPECIALLY if you're doing it safely.

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I don't know top gun 38 personally, but I was also intrigued by his Paxton/Eaton Frankenstein project. The last thing posted that I saw was:

413hp/546 torque at 5500rpm W/O MAF modification

I’m sure someone out there knows better than I do, but I didn’t really understand what he saw in this project.

I remember the older rally cars had a supercharger and a turbocharger connected to the engine. Supercharger for low end HP while the turbocharger provider power for the upper RPMs. I know that this combo makes incredible HP per cc. Was this Top gun’s borrowed methodology?

In Top gun’s case wouldn’t it of been easier to bolt a larger supercharger on, granted if there is one out there that fits a 5.4.

While I don’t know the formula, there are some guys producing 400 RWHP or about 480 crank (transmission % dilemma I know) HP for a 5.4 litter engine, isn’t this about maximum without jacking the RPMs all to hell? While it’s pretty easy to produce 1 hp per 1 CI @ 8000 RPM for a NA engine, try doing that @ 5400 RPM with a street engine and with the below the curve HP that we enjoy.

With all that being said, I think the next effective way to make serious HP is through CI and not exhaust/cams/heads bolt-ins, NOS isn’t an option IMO. I would like to see someone try the super/turbo charger configuration, but not with my monies.

 

I remeber Chet (topgun38) saying he hit a wall at around 480hp in a post...

Might want to see if High Risk will talk to you, he did a buncha that stuff and has some new project under work at this Area51 garage. (He told me he would tell me what it was, but then he'd have to kill me)

Daniel

 

I remmember seeing a post about a 4X4 off road 5.4L Ford making 700 hp, N/A. Severe head work done, and top secret. That was a few/several months ago.

 

Pawn,
I've just been saving up for floor mats. LOL

HIGH RISK

 

I thought there was supposed to be a strong potential for "block" failure above 500 HP just due to metal stress.

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I still can't figure out how to post pictures?????????????



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