Hey, mister man, perhaps you can answer this timeless riddle:

Is drivetrain loss a percentage or a constant? In either case, what is that constant or percentage, roughly?

This has probably been covered elsewhere, but I'm fairly certain it has not been to my satisfaction.

Besides, I'm going to buy one of those chips you're selling, so I figure you owe me.

 

Hey JL!

Good work on the new chip. After all I've read on this board, I feel fairly convinced that your program is the one I want to run in my '01. However, I have some concerns about running any non-factory programs - reliability and warranty issues. I know you can't help with warranty issues, but can you please address my reliability concerns? Thanks!

-Ollie

 

JL,

What air fuel ratio are you creating with your chip? Was this chip created on a dyno with a wideband O2 sensor hooked up? Are you actually working with Diablo (that sounds funny) over the phone or in person?



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Scott Weatherford
351W 1993 LX 11.9 @ 118MPH (Drag Radials)
Black 2001 Lightning 13.62 @ ??? MPH

WWW.TheVL.COM/VENOM

 

Just to let you know these #'s were from the rear wheels however ive heard some people using the 20% drivetrain loss and 15% i believe i'll go with the 15% to be on the safe side so hp at the flywheel should be around 437 and torque should be 529. this should be close.. if i calculated it right. Also on the reliability issue i assure you it will be not only reliable but VERY safe! like i said before Diablosport is a Top Notch Company and they plan on giving nothing but Top Notch Products.... JL

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93 cobra 10.90@127.00
99 lightning (black)
E.T. 12.06
best mph 112
60 ft. 1.65
(All Throttle No Bottle!)
JL ram air
JL Powercooler
2# pulley
Level 10 shift kit
Test Converter!
DiabloSport Dist.!
(KEEP IT BETWEEN THE LINES!)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
JohnnyLightning Performance
E-mail: jlightningracing@cs.com
WEB:JohnnylightningPerf.com
svtperformance.com

 

Thanks alot Johnny----now I got to work some overtime for a chip LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Wow, great numbers....where do I sign up!

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01 Silver Lightning-no mods yet!
00 S281 Speedster - 312 rwhp 383 rwtq
98 GSXR-750 - 123rwhp

 

Johnny L. is being on the very safe side of saying 15% loss. Ford doesn't even have a manual trans that only loses 15%.
Figure about 20-23%. You will find out that even a well built auto trans for the "strip" still eats at least 20%, so a figure of 20-23% loss for our Lightings is not too far off from the truth.
And that make the power that these things are putting to the ground even more impressive.
So JL, it looks like your program is REALLY making some sick power!
Assuming 20% (which still may be low) the power at the crank seems to be as fallows.
HP: 450+
Torque: 5450+
Great Job! I really don't know what to say except that this is outrageous power. I have to admit that I think SVT may have underrated the 380HP on the 2001's

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I'll give the A/F #'s tommorow i want to make sure i have it correct before i post them. and yes this was done on a dyno. i'll let you know more tommorow! JL

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93 cobra 10.90@127.00
99 lightning (black)
E.T. 12.06
best mph 112
60 ft. 1.65
(All Throttle No Bottle!)
JL ram air
JL Powercooler
2# pulley
Level 10 shift kit
Test Converter!
DiabloSport Dist.!
(KEEP IT BETWEEN THE LINES!)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
JohnnyLightning Performance
E-mail: jlightningracing@cs.com
WEB:JohnnylightningPerf.com
svtperformance.com

 

the problem with all this johny lightning is you cant guarantee that there will be warranty for your chip from the factory. if something goes wrong the factory will blame your chip and the warranty goes out the window. very expensive lesson without your covering the potential problems. saying it is a good program and standing behind your product are two different things.

 

lightning al

No aftermarket chip vendor will cover your motor. How can you expect them to. If you can't afford the risk, don't do it. Obviously, they test their products and find a balance between performance and safety.

 

SVT claims a drivetrain loss of less than 12%
Dale

 

Well like i said we @ Diablo our working on some AWSOME programs. we just got done with the 2001 program. we still have more room for improvment just thought i'd keep everybody updated. we made 380 H.P. & 460 ft.lbs & the rear wheels! keep in mind this was with a BONE STOCK 2001 lightning! with under 1,000 miles on it! like i said this company is truly Awsome! and were going to be offering the Baddest programs around! JL

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93 cobra 10.90@127.00
99 lightning (black)
E.T. 12.06
best mph 112
60 ft. 1.65
(All Throttle No Bottle!)
JL ram air
JL Powercooler
2# pulley
Level 10 shift kit
Test Converter!
DiabloSport Dist.!
(KEEP IT BETWEEN THE LINES!)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
JohnnyLightning Performance
E-mail: jlightningracing@cs.com
WEB:JohnnylightningPerf.com
svtperformance.com

 

Dale! Do you have a URL for this drivetrain loss info?

My stock 01 L dyno'd 310 hp and 365 f/p torque.

Figuring 380 hp and I forget how much torque, a 20% drivetrain loss puts the 310/365 numbers right on the mark.

Yet, everyone else makes it sound like I should be seeing more from the L.

If the official party line is 12%, I need that as ammo when I bring the truck to the dealer for a checkup.

Thanks in advance!

 

Divetrain losses are NOT a percentage. They are a constant except for a small increase in frictional losses (as power increases)

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Jeff
93 Mustang GT: 11.40 @ 124.5 (old combo)
00 Lightning: Born on 6/15/00 Died on 3/03/01 RIP
www.unlimited-racing.com

Moderator - Bay Area California Chapter
www.svtperformance.com

 

What were the numbers on the 01 prior to the chip? 380 with just a chip has got my attention. Can you give any information on the features or reasons why this chip allows appears to let get more horsepower than previous chips?