I have ran many LS1 cars from a roll but never from a stop. Well last night I pulled up at a red light next to a Z28 LS1 stick, I am sitting there wandering if he is going to run when I see him trying to get my attention, he is to my left, anyway he asks me if I want to run them. Well sure I say. I sit looking at the red light, my heart beats a little faster as I am thinking how is this going to turn out, one last look around for cops then back to the light. Green, I lay it down slowley but spin straight through the intersection, I look over and he is a car back, I keep on it until around 50mph then shut down. I had him by about two car lengths. He comes up beside me gives the thumbs up and we go on our way.
Enjoyed that one.

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2000 Lightning Silver frost
Clear corners (Front only)
PSP Intake, JDM Chip, Bed Rug, Snuglid

 

I just love to hear about those Ls1 kills.


HANKFAN

 

Gotta love that feeling.

 

Hilander,
I go to LS1.com alot and according to them their is no way a Lightning can beat an LS1. So I don't believe you, those LS1 guys wouldn't lie so it must be you!

Just kidding, that is the perception over their that even Vipers and Ferrari's can't beat the almighty LS1! Nice kill! I need to find me one to race!

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00 Black Lightning
JL Flip chip, PSP filter kit No ET's yet
00 Honda Civic
01 Pontiac Grand AM GT

AIM: jakeowen22

 

Sorry, not all LS1 guys think that way. I've mentioned before that there's not too many cars on the road that could beat a Lightning in a short street race from a dead stop. I don't even bother with races that go from 0-40 or so, because by the time I get traction I've just been "killed." Racing from a roll would be whole different story, though..... GOOD KILL!



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'00 MY C5

 

At what speed does a "roll" start ?

I raced a 2000 or 2001 SS (with the new wheels) from around 5-10 mph this weekend. The truck downshifted into 1st and we were ahead by around a truck length when I closed it down around the middle of 2nd gear.

I have 500 miles (700 km) and this was the first WOT.

 

I was behind an LS1 SS Camaro a couple weeks ago on a 2-lane county road, we slowed to around 40 mph to go over a bumpy railroad crossing, then it was on!! 40-70 mph I stuck right on his back bumper, after that he started creeping, 1 length, 2 lengths then I shut down at around 110-120 cause it was getting nothing but ugly from there as my wind-brick was not going to hang. I don't have a "sig", but my truck runs real consistent 13.35-13.45 @ 102-102.5 range. My "take" on the race was that with the Lightning being so fast out of the hole, I could likely take a length or two on a 0-60 street race. But in a 0-100 or a 1/4 mile pass, that 2-length lead would get sucked right up into a pretty dead-heat.

 

Trying to find the 2 White Lightnings I raced a few weeks ago is what brought me to this board. Their 1/4 times were better than mine at the track. I ran a few 14s, so as you can see, I had a horrible time with traction. Run-flat tires SUCK! One of the Lightnings was running mid to high 12s and I saw the other Lightning run a 13.3xx. I didn't watch every run they did, but those were the runs I personally saw. On the way back my friend Ron('99 C5) and I happened to pass these guys on the way back to Nashville. By the way they were driving after we passes them, we knew they wanted to play. Ron ran them first and then I ran them. I had slowed to about 30 and as soon as he hit it, I hit mine and by 110 the guy was several car lengths back.... So to answer the question, "What is considered a roll?" I would say going around 10 or higher......

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'00 MY C5

 

I've got a 00 SS and I've raced Tundra a bunch of times. It is always a good race. I will agree on ls1.com most think their cars are unbeatable. Well I say that tundra and I are a good race they always bash me and say I must be a ****ty driver, hahaha. As long as you are a good driver you should give any stock LS1 a good run off the line

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'00 Sebring Silver SS #1881
M6, T-tops, SLP Blistein susp, BMR STB, Cut out, Pro 5.0, Nitto DR's
Waiting to be installed: 4.10's, HPP3, 160 stat, MTI Clear Lid, BMR SFC, Driveshaft Loop, LCA, MAF ends, Harlan Shiftlight, SS Pedals, K&N
On order: MacEwen white gauges
Best 1/4 - 13.38 at 104.87 mph (before Nittos)

 

My family owns both a C5 Vette and an SS Camaro. I have raced a lightning in both. Good try boys. Maybe next light. You did put up a good race. And I do think that the lightning is one of my favorite rides on the market. Don't kid yourself though. You just won't win.

 

To the newbie troll...go tell someone else. Hilander has an intake kit and a chip. Chances are very good his truck runs low, low-13s in the quarter.

A stock SS doesn't run this where I race in the heat, but my own truck runs 13.2s with $500 in mods in 85^F humid air. "Maybe next light"...LOL.

Stock for stock, I'm not going to say that a Lightning will beat an LS1. But that's not what this post is about.

He also didn't mention top-end racing, either. If you run a 14, and something else runs a low-13 or a high-12 (I don't care if its a Gremlin) then this is not going to be a close race. Do the math. Say the Lightning crosses the traps at the 1/4 mile doing 103mph...this is pretty typical of what Hilander's truck would do. That's 151 feet/second. If he runs a 13.3 and someone else in whatever runs a 14.0 and both leave at the same time, he just smoked the slower car by 105'.

So, where's the argument here?

Sure the lighter, sleeker LS1 cars (be it F-body or Vette) will take even a modified Lightning at speed. But, if you go from a standstill, its going to take some time to run down a 105' lead. Even a "lowly" Cobra will outrun an L on the top-end without much problem.

I will say _again_ as I have in many other posts, that most stock LS1 F-bodies run mid-13s where I race, which means the races are pretty darn close...and being a closer race to begin with, I agree with 69bossnine...the difference, if any, gets made up pretty quick.

However, I still see "Ran an LS1 Z28 from a _stop_" in the title here.

On the other side of the fence...there seem to be just as many Lightning owners who think their trucks can beat ANYTHING on the road, as their are LS1 owners who think that. They didn't post here, but some of these kill stories are silly. Beating a Viper to the crosswalk is not a "kill" for crying out loud. Beating a Z06 to the drive-thru lane at McDonalds is not a "kill", either.

"There's ALWAYS someone faster"...repeat it three times and take it to heart.


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Wes Tarbox
90 LX 5.0 (10.69 @ 134.7)--597rwhp/590rwtq
96 Cobra (12.34 @ 115.8)--392rwhp/433rwtq
99 Lightning (13.20 @ 103.8)--364rwhp/447rwtq
00 Expedition XLT 5.4
http://hometown.aol.com/wa2fst/home.htm

 

I know this subject has been killed but I have a question. When I'am street raceing I usally bring the rpm's up to about 1200 (With the brakes on), light goes green should I be putting it to the floor? or should I wait until I hit second then WOT?

Need some help here guys.


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01,Black,Lightning
K@N air filter
Super flip Chip

 

01Black-SVT

If you're chipped, just load up the driveline to take out any slack, maybe a grand, not much more and hit the gas hard but not to the floor for a split second. After that split second to give the truck the time needed to get moving, then to-the-floor-she-goes and don't let off. If, by chance, you get a bit of spin as you get the the third amber light, ever so lightly ease off just enough to regrip the tires to the track. It's like petting a porkupine. If your stock, loadup to about 1500 and floor it at the third amber.

On the topic at hand, at the risk of getting greif for saying this, I think the Lightning is about the best light-to-light street fighter out there; I can't help but compare it to the Grand National when spooled up correctly. When a vehicle reaches max torque at 3000 rpm, you've got a serious problem if you racing one. I've owned both F-bodys and now I'm on my second L, and I can say that the lightning is about the MOST consistant launcher out there. If you're not in a Lightning and you're racing a Lightning, you better bring your best technique or you could get suprised. The massive torque is what makes this truck so awsome on the streets. Now, that some L's are hitting rock bottom 12's and some will most likely hit 11's without NOS this season, these will really be able to contend up to 125mph or better. But, who actually goes that fast and how often. But, these kinds of Lightnings will end the debate about hanging with F-bodys and Vettes past 100mph.

[This message has been edited by BadBolt (edited 04-03-2001).]