I am a member of the board who truly feels bad for JL and also feels that because of the situation,We will all lose out.

There is more to the break up from JDM and JL then meets the eye.The reason i feel this way is because JL has top of the line performance chips and is a great buisnessman and also has a great attitude which is hard to get from any lightning specific tuner.We have sal who never delivers,JDM who has a bad attitude,Diablo whos chips just dont provide and superchips whos programs just arnt aggressive enough.I guess when you get all three like JL has done you are bound to get envy and be tossed on your butt specially when your boss is losing buisness to you.
THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION.
I feel that the reason JL had to leave is becuase JDM got jealous of what a person who works for/with him was building a better reputation than himself.I feel that greed got in the middle of friends and JDM is to blame.JL was taking buisness away which because of how well everybody praised his chips.Its too bad becuase of this break up we all lose.One more thing,This weekend JDM was moody and started talking about other lightning owners which he thought was going to go unanounced.WRONG

Im sorry webmaster but we all lose on this one.Not trying to flam just trying to get some opinions because there is obviously something wrong with this situation.A great chip tuner/buisnessman doesnt go unoticed on this board just as slow sloppy buisnessman dont.

 

While I believe you are entitled to your opinion, I feel you just went about it the whole wrong way.

1. You posted anonymous, that means you're afraid of really speaking about what you think.

2. You bad mouthed quite a few other business suppliers in there and that was just uncalled for and rather rude and unprofessional.

3. You praise to JL is great, and he is a great guy and great business man, but you ruined the value of your post by bad mouthing so many others in it. From what I know of JL, I don't think he would have wanted you to do it like that either.

Sal does make good on his gear, alot of people have it, alot of people know it. I've met him a couple times in person now and he's a good guy. You cannot expect your "internet junkie I need my purchase in 60 seconds and on my door tomorrow" to work in the real world... People need to calm down and chill a bit on their life is a 60-second-sound-byte-I-need-it-now attitudes or they'll just go nuts. People are too tense and edgey...air rage, road rage, school shootings, wars...jeez, calm the heck down and try living life for a bit...

SuperChips is a good company for how big it is...its tougher for them to have that "personal edge" because of their size and the volume of work they deal in. Their chips perform well, but as any larger company deals with, they don't quite have that personal touch that comes to it from some guy red-eyeing a dyno session out in a garage for the love of his truck.

JDM, well, it seems he's learning the hard way that moving from a private appointment only business into a public parts shop is not quite as easy as one would think. I think that JDM will play out over time and that he'll have satisified and unsatisfied customers like any other company.

Next time, I'd keep your comments positive and you'll get more respect on your opinion. All these guys work hard. They make some people happy, they make others disgusted. Ford is just the same...some people, after owning a Lightning, can't stand the minor "bugs" in it and won't ever buy a Ford again, others, like myself, roll with the punches, grab the pieces, fix it and enjoy the hell out of what it has to offer.

Daniel

 

Hear! Hear! Daniel
I run most everyones parts. on my L. I've waited with the best, suffered with the rest but at NO TIME have I come out Flaming people or companys they own, period. I have a problem,, they have a phone.
I think if JL wanted this discussed he would have started this thread like Spiro did in his.
Or did I miss something?
IMHO!
Dan

 

thepawn, you go my man. We have never met, but truer words have never been spoken!

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There is alot more to the situation than meets the eye. That is for sure.

 

I dont understand you guys?Did I say anything that is untrue? All I stated were the facts about other suppliers.For one,We all know that PSP has a reputation of waiting with no replies as I stated.Superchips R9 although the best for superchips,It does not perform as the other private chip maurfacturors and JDM as we agree have some personal problems.Instead of you guys jumping on me for what i stated (the truth) Why cant you see the facts in hear.I did not bad mouth anybody for one,I stated the facts that I have learned FROM this board for a long time now.As far as being professional,These are cold hard facts and the rest is left up to my opinion.Thats what is wrong with you guys,You think every statement has to be "professional" this is not about professionalism this is about the truth. You guy tell me one thing I said that is not true and hasnt been proven.....I am not bashing anybody,I am merely stating that it seems as though all others have common issues where JL has been a great help to us all with little or no ill feelings from or to anyone.Are there any post on here that question any of these issues I stated about the other chip makersto compare to JL? The answer is no.And not all comments are positive anywhere so please get of the high horse here. Whats the deal pawn,If the facts are not positive,I shouldnt post them.?The facts are the facts good or bad right?You all should have the brains to figure out in my post what parts are fact and what is opinion.For those of you who can find anything that i stated as facts in my post to be untrue please enlighten me....Problem is you cant.And if any of you were there this weekend,There is a good chance what JDM was talking trash about just could have been you.Hows that make you guys feel?

I dont want this thread to start a war but understand and comprehend my post before you come back with your opinions on what my post is about.

Just for the record,I dont want to disclose my real name because I felt like it really is not my buisness to say these things but these things needed to be said.That is what you call honesty.I admit this is none of my buisness but these are true statements to bring out the good in JL not the bad in others.

 

Just to add some insite to your statement about Sal and PSP. There was a time that I might have agreed with you about Sal not being able to deliver. But things change and let me tell you how I know they change. On March 12th (a Monday) I called PSP at about 8:30 in the evening. I placed an order for a pulley and was told that they would try to have it out by the end of the week (Friday). Fine, I could live with that. So I marked my calendar so I could judge how PSP was doing on meeting their commitment. On March 15th (Wednesday) I found the pulley in my mailbox. To tell you the truth I was pretty darn impressed. I know that Sal had some problems in the past and he got the cr@p smacked out of him because of it. I don't know if he can now deliver in that fashion for all his products but he came through in a big way on the pulley.

As for JDM, I've purchased stuff from Jim and got what I was promised when it was promised. Well except for the pulley that I and everyone else are still waiting to see. I don't know JL but from what I hear he is a stand up guy. I would have to say that Jim at JDM is a stand up guy as well, JMHO based on my dealings with JDM. I don't know what happened between JL and Jim but let me say that when even the best of friends get involved in business ventures things happen and it often ends up with people being hurt or very pi$$ed off at one another.

I'm not planning on taking sides in any of this. I just hope all the parties involved can work things out for their own good and piece of mind. JMHO.

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There is nothing wrong with posting the facts. I think the guys records overall speak for themselves. Other than the JDM pulley,I personally have had no complants with anybody. JL,JDM or Sal. I remember a time when Sal was having problems and was getting slammed on this board left and right (most were legit complaints) and I got a chip from him in one day. They all have great products and have helped me alot with knowledge in their posts on various boards. I don't know all of whats going between them and I doubt I ever will, but I will give all the benefit of the doubt and take them at their words. I think everyone deserves that. If someone gets ripped off though, I see no problem posting it publicly. However it better be a legit rip off. It puts the pressure the tuners to keep on the up and up buisness wise and performance wise. Everyone comes out better in the long run. We may agree to disagree on this and thats OK with me.

In love,
Travis

 

JLgotscrewed,

I love what you posted because it is/was the TRUTH.

In the beginning this forum was about performance and problems.

Now it's almost always about which color is faster and how many smiley faces one can post or better yet total misdirection on what’s already been covered 2 years ago.

Jlgotscrewed I hate to say it, but you can't just post to the current members like they’re all 99 owners anymore. If only 99 owners were here you would be praised abet you would of been really late to figure this out by now.

Sorry to say, but this party is more of a daily social event now and not really about the sport. When was the last time you saw a 01 kill posted? In 99 when was last time you didn't see 5 kills a day posted?

In 99 90% performance posts, i.e. tricks, chips, dyno runs, tire pressure, oil, octane; In 01 a pentacle post is about a mystical 20 BS HP increase inside a magical new lower blower assembly, um different animal?

 

I don't know what to say. I do think that everyone has a right to speak their own minds. I have met Jim, Sal, Spiro, and have talked with JL on the phone in the past. They have all seemed like decent guys to me, as far as their personal problems with each other that is what it is(their personal business) You talk with one of them and you here a story, you talk with a different one you here a different story. You can only take them at face value, I don't know who is right or who is wrong. I will not judge any of them because its not my place. If Jim or JL or Spiro really has a problem with someone he should get some ***** and post once in for all what this is really about. If you have the ***** to post then you shouldn't have to hide the truth (between the lines) just post what you really want to say. I think a lot of people are making their minds up by what they here from one or the other. I don't know who is right and I really hope all this talking about this stops soon. Lets start posting on positive things that will help us. Just keep making good products to make our trucks fast..

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[This message has been edited by hdmlnium (edited 03-24-2001).]

 

JLgotscrewed, you totally missed my point. What I as stating is that your own post just perteutates the continual pissing matches then seem to brew.

God knows how, but there seems to be alot of "politics" in the small Lightning community that we already have. You post was nothing more then that. You did not state the "facts".

Except for Johnny, and kudos to him for keeping it on track, all of the small business owners that went to put out products for the Lightning totally underestimated their power to reach demand. This is was caused the delays in shipping that angered lots of people.

Sal caught up and knows him limits now and has been on track with his gear...when was the last time you talked to him? You whipped out a blatant statement without checking anything. Sal dosn't charge for goods if they're not shipped yet.

I know part of the problem with JDM was that he accepted payments for all the pulleys before they were completed and then ran into manufacturing problems. Now they're delayed, he's got people's money and they're mad.

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion, but your "truth" is your own version of it.

There is alot of friction between various groups and they tend to bicker and nitpick each other, and well, as a Lightning owner, I don't really care who doesn't like who when I'm looking for a product. I just want the one that works.

I agree with that comment whole heartedly, and lgogether, your comment just pushes the lack of that even further.

I'm not trying to pick fights with anyone. I'm just stating that when threads like this keep popping up, all it seems to do is create more bad blood and distrust between people and further push apart a community that should be together working to improve, fix and toy with our trucks.

Daniel



[This message has been edited by thepawn (edited 03-25-2001).]

 

Gee, I wonder who JLgotscrewed could be? There are some unhappy campers in the Lightning world today. I hope this can all be resolved one day so we can all type in peace! Lloyd

 

So **** happens...and everyone has their ups and downs...so and so's new Chip this week..will be trash next week..etc...hey its all in the algorithms...simple and pure...math... Let the Chip Wars begin! And YES...who gives a RATTS *** if the guy wants to say his keep..... What I find amazing is everone is after more performance ie..lower et's...yet the ls1/ls6 crowd relies on AutoTap..yet this seems an unpopular position with the Lightning crowd...I don't get it...you need to monitor engine function to tune...anyone here use AUTOTAP??

[This message has been edited by MadMaxSC (edited 03-25-2001).]

 

I have only purchased JL parts.......what really made me a faithful JL product buyer was his kindness and willingness to talk to you no matter what he was doing....I dont have anything to say about JDM...just because if I cant say something nice about a person or company then I just dont say anything about them.....Sal....well he has had his bad times but his products seem to be high quality just like JLs stuff...and Sal is the only one now with a chip for nitrous.......If i had to banner for someone I would do it for Johnny.......just because of the kind of person he is...........im behind Johnny 110%

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Gee, I wonder who JLgotscrewed could possibly be? Let me see...slams Sal even though he never waited a moment for any of his products...very defensive about his post and claiming he only posted facts...obviously afraid of getting booted(again) hence the alias...man...I'm stumped.

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