its funny, for the 99 models and i think 2000 as well, svt on its own site listed the L specs as 0-60 in 6 something and 1/4 in 14.6 seconds (muahahhahaha thats funny).

then in 2001, svt increases hp by 20 and torque by 10 ft lbs......

now the listed 0-60 is 5.8 and 1/4 is 13.9.

looks like the 20 hp and 10 ft lbs gave the L a .7 increase in the 1/4!!! lol...

 

I have been pondering the same question myself. Maybe the original test vehicle they used to get those 99-00 numbers had a intercooler leak or something. I wonder what the 01 will run like with a chipnfilter. Then there are those rumors that there will not be a "service port" on the 01 computer (heard that by word of mouth). Should make for some very exciting times. I just hope the ol 00 will hold its own against the next generation...

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Sam Cooper
2000 L White
Superchips R9
Airraid
Stock: 342rwhp/416rwtq
SCC2000L@Flashmail.com

 

I would not be surprised if all of the 2001 performance and power specs are on the conservative side as well. Maybe the 2001's will be in the 12s with the same mods that get us in the mid-low 13s.

I am already planning to get another Lightning by 2002 or 2003. I just can't resist.

 

on that 14.6 factory spec, did the ford testers drive it up a hill on a rainy day? lol


****an important difference i hadn't realised besides the increased hp and torque, the 01 gets 3:73s!!!!!!! i wonder if top end will suffer??? these things should hit 13.4s easy.

 

According to the specs it actually GAINs 2 mph on the Top end. There is a very interesting article on driveshafts on the tccoa.com website. It talks about weight vs vibration and how this affects a vehicle at high shaft speeds. I wonder if this is why they went with the aluminum driveshat on the 01s

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GalaxyEng
2000 RED #2926
BedRug, Haig custom mats

 

Well, lets not forget the rear end change from 3.55s to 3.73s, that plays into the 1/4 mile equation also...

From what I've seen heard here 373s and 410s when installed with a PROPERLY moded computer make 3 or 4 10ths by themselves.

Now add in some horsepower via a bigger better intercooler, the bigger mass air. I bet the horse and torque are still way underrated!

Did anyone notice that curb weight is actaully true curb weight plus 300 lbls? Look at the disclaimer at the bottom of the page. Interesting, maybe why so many L owners have disagreed with that spec for so long.

Just my $.02
Later
Brad


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I suspect that all they really did with the 2001 L is apply some of the tried & true current aftermarket tweaks we've already got bolted to our current trucks. A bigger mass air, less restrictive air box, and a more aggressive computer probram a-la Superchips, and a gear. All Ford has done in this is observe what calibration and hardware mods have worked, made sure they met emissions, and applied them to the 2001 truck. I had the opportunity to put my name down on a new 2001, but with the 80mm Pro-M and R9 Superchip already installed on my 2000, it seemed to me that (short of the gear, I've yet to make that upgrade) I was gaining ZERO performance potential by stepping up to the newer model from what I already have sitting in the garage. When the 2001's come out, I seriously doubt that guys will be chipnfiltering their trucks into the 12's. If there was a cylinder head/intake manifold/exhaust upgrade coming from the factory for 2001, then YES, the trucks would have more baseline potential. But all the 2001 is, really, is a chipped and pro-M'd and geared 2000. The mods are just there from the factory, rather than you having to buy them & bolt 'em up. I WILL be upgrading my headlights & foglamps, those look great!

 

I agree with 69bossnine. I mean, there are no _real_ hardware changes engine-wise that have been published. So that leaves the engine management as the biggest change as far as power-production is concerned.

Add in the 3.73s and if the truck hooks up (most '99-00 with chip and filters seem to have issues with traction with 3.55s, 3.73s, or 4.10s) then it will definitely be quicker.

Those of you who race know that the truck isn't even close to being optimally geared for a 1/4 mile. I can't remember when it shifts into 4th (OD), but I think its ~135mph or so. That being said, if you're running 103-105mph through the traps in 3rd, you're barely using 3rd gear at all...this is not the way to set up a 1/4 mile drag monster. So, more gear is better for performance, IF the truck can hook up the extra torque to the wheels.

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Wes Tarbox
90 LX 5.0 (10.69 @ 134.7)--597rwhp/590rwtq
96 Cobra (12.34 @ 115.8)--392rwhp/433rwtq
99 Lightning (13.20 @ 103.8)--364rwhp/444rwtq
00 Expedition XLT 5.4
http://members.aol.com/Wa2fst/index.html

 

See, you gotta think about what your saying. Basically your saying is, with a Chip and Filter combo, you are running 13.4x's rougly. And then your saying, the STOCK 2001 is running the same numbers. Well there is the reason to upgrade right there. I'm sure when my 2001 comes in, it'll be a matter of months before Superchips, or JL, or even PSP will get their hands on one to program a chip and filter combo for that. And then when the 2001's get chipped and filtered they will be faster (considering they hook up) than your chip and filtered 2000 or 1999. It's like walking up a set of stairs, you guys have put minor mods on your trucks to be on the same level as the 2001's, but once the 01's put the same minor mods, they will always be one step ahead. Ya see? No flame intended, just stating the obvious. And from the seat of the pants feel of Alphadoggys 2000L, he will more than likely give my stock 01 a really good run.

-Marcus.

 

69bossnine...

so the better intercooler won't matter... wow.. thats interesting, 2 extra coils to cool, and a better heat exchanger... hmmm...

ohh, and whats this drive shaft made out of (Drive Shaft 4.5-in. aluminum ) ? and yours? wow, wonder what the weight differnce is? hmmm.. less weight = more speed at the traps

you have a 80mm mass air, the 01 has a 90mm diameter (quoted from www.svt.ford.com), hmmm... that might not change anything, na, not at all

just my $.02
Brad


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* 99.5 Black Lightning – gone!!!
Sold the 99.5 Lightning.. wait on a 2001!
* 97 F-150 Extended Cab 4.2L V-6 daily driver

Injection is nice, but I'd rather be blown. Lightning, the best of both worlds!



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Mmmm, aluminum driveshaft. That'll really free her up! I guess I'll have to shave pounds by leaving my CD case at home in order to counter that smokin mod. It's a redesigned intercooler, you're absolutely right, but sitting in staging, I don't see it accomplishing alot. That's why we see electric fans installed against them. That is a nice all-around upgrade though, I'll give you that, you win. But the 90mm vs. 80mm: The stock boost is still spec-d at 8psi @ 5250 rpm, so I fail to see what the bigger hole is accomplishing there. When I removed the stock maf from my truck and installed the 80mm, I picked up 2+ lbs of boost. The jump from 80mm to 90mm for 2001, according to Ford's numbers, offers no increase. It's just a bigger hole allowing the same exact amount of air to pass through, just a number, until someone can shed more light on the calibration of the 2001's tune. Blackbolt, I think you're missing the point. A chip can only make gains in areas where room for improvement exists. If the 2001's program is already well optimized from the factory, then there will be no ROOM for substantial gain. A 2001 may well not realize the huge benefits from an aftermarket chip that the 99-00's get. I'm not poo-poo-ing everybody that's getting a 2001, and I may be proved wrong sometime next year when these things hit and get played with. I'm just of a mind that a maxed-out 2001 won't run considerably different than a maxed out 2000. The basic engine is unchanged. All that's been changed with the 2001 are things that could also easily be bolted into place over a 6-pack of beer on the earlier trucks. I like my truck, and I like my chrome 00 wheels, and I love my grille, so I opted out on getting the '01 because I saw nothing substantial there beyond what I already have. Nothing to get up in arms about!

 

I think people with 01's on order should start their own thread or somethin. gettin all high and mighty with their special tailights and fancy wheels. now i know how the normally aspirated members of this list feel. (almost)

 

An L's an L -who cares if it's 1st gen or 2nd, 99' or 01'. Thay are all cool, all fast and all rare. Besides, they all run differently -just check some past threads on people who have test driven multiple 00's -they claim certain "colors" are faster...yeah, each truck IS different.

 

Thank you, but I know _exactly_ what I'm saying. Hopefully, Marcus, what you're saying is true. But, I'm certainly "thinking about what I'm saying"...and I believe _I_ am stating the "obvious".

_IF_ Ford isn't changing the heads, cams, exhaust, etc on the new truck then its getting the extra power from the engine management programming. Period. It's well-known that the stock '99-00 programming is very conservative from the factory. This is typical of an auto manufacturer when putting a new model into production.

Now, _IF_ Ford is changing the heads, cams, etc. then the hardware is different and there's the power gain right there. From what I've read, the hardware is not changed, though.

And no, I'm not running 13.4s. I run 13.2s in 90^F heat. My '99 ran 13.95 stock. I think Ford's estimate of 13.9 on the '01 is probably closer to reality than what it's estimate was on the '99 truck. We'll see. If the '01 trucks run 13.4s where I race where the air stinks, then that's great.

Another thing is that on some of these '99-00 trucks it was obvious Ford down-rated them. 360hp stock? Not likely with many people seeing 325-330rwhp bone stock. That's easy 380-385 which is what the '01 is rated at.

I agree that every chip manufacturer out there will develop a chip for it. Look at the great demand out there for the '99-00. But, if the _hardware_ they have to work with engine-wise is identical, then they will have no more to work with than the '99-00 truck.

This is _exactly_ what I'm saying....

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Wes Tarbox
90 LX 5.0 (10.69 @ 134.7)--597rwhp/590rwtq
96 Cobra (12.34 @ 115.8)--392rwhp/433rwtq
99 Lightning (13.20 @ 103.8)--364rwhp/444rwtq
00 Expedition XLT 5.4 http://members.aol.com/Wa2fst/index.html



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Dittos.....but don't forget, the 2001's are factory lightweights, with them aluminum driveshafts and all....


JUST A JAB!!! I HAD TO DO IT!! I have no anti-sarcastic will-power!


(I also have no spell-check, i.e. edit)

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