Just finished watching Talledega. Chebbies 1-2-3. But they couldn't do it if NASCAR didn't tilt the rules in their favor. They make the Fords run 2" taller roof spoilers so the GMs have an aerodynamic advantage. Ford builds a more aerodynamic car, which has real world advantages on performance and gas milage, but is there any incentive for GM to compete? No, not as long as they penalize Ford for building a better car. I'll never watch another NASCAR race, and if I had a Ford team I'd pull out and tell NASCAR to take a hike until they applied the same rules to everybody.

 

Not one part on the NASCAR vehilcles can be purchased on a production car either chevy or ford. Putting ids on these things that say chevy or ford is the grossest form of false adverstising I have ever seen. Someone should sue chevy or ford for false advertising and get any name of an actual car removed from these "kit" cars.
noelvm

Never the less, this race was more entertaining than the previous ones. Four abreast in the last three laps. Cooooooooool

 

I think the drivers are what determined the finishing order of today's race which is exactly what NASCAR is trying to achieve. It could have just as easily have been Ford 1,2,3. I remember when Ford finished 1-9 in California (Chevy went 1-6 today) a couple of years back and man did the Chevy guys complain. Now it's Fords turn. Wind tunnel testing is the best way to even the playing field when you are dealing with designs that are completely different from showroom vehicles. Look at the current standings. Ford is doing pretty good I would say.

I agree with Noel; no way do these cars represent anything that you can buy from a dealer(rear wheel drive V8s).

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Just remember guys,ALL of the

"CHEVIES" are running "FORD"
9" rear ends. Seems in all
there years,chevy still cant
build there own.

 

Well, sixpipes, if that is the case then why don't the Jordan and BAR teams get F1 to put spoilers on the Ferraris and McLarens? And when Bobby Rahal was struggling with Honda in CART why didn't he get them to put spoilers on the Ilmor powered cars? CART wouldn't do that bullshlt, so Honda and Toyota had to work til they built a competetive product. Its true that you can't buy a NASCAR car from your dealer, but they are supposed to represent something you can buy, otherwise why does NASCAR take templates off the production cars and insist that the race cars fall within certain parameters based on those templates? Its so GM or Ford couldn't come out with a car that looked like a Porsche Le Mans car and call it a Monte Carlo or Thunderbird. But when Ford switched from the Thunderbird template to the Taurus it immediately became clear that the new PRODUCTION BASED design was much more slippery than anything GM built, and rather than go back to the drawing board and design something competetive GM just greased the right palms until NASCAR tilted the playing field in favor of them. It is not in NASCAR's financial interest to run a series in which one make dominates, even though that domination may be due to technical superiority. That's why NASCAR is bogus, because in every other form of racing the smartest guys with the best designs win, but in NASCAR the smart guys are penalized so that the dummies have a chance to win. That blows.




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If you have so much anger towards NASCAR do your self a favor..... DON"T WATCH IT



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I have a hard time switching channels when NASCAR comes on...I find I hit the channel changer so fast it drops out of my hand sometimes.

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Next year NASCAR is suppose to go to a single template for all cars. How does this match the ford or chevy. It doesn't. Also I hate to disallusion you but the current templates don't match either ford or chevy. They are simply what NASCAR has agreed to for each style of car raced. Ford has no template for a two door torus because they don't have a two door torus. Nascar doesn't care about what is at the dealership. All they care about is competition. thats fine with me, but don't call them chevys and fords just call them by the driver or sponsor--i.e. not the dupont chevy, just the dupont or Gordon dupont.
noelvm

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would you rather them race stock body, v-6, front wheel drive cars? give it a month or 2 and the advantage will sway back. if i remember right,when the taurus came out the gm guys were complaining.

 

Sorry, but there are some stock parts used in NASCAR. I agree that NASCAR Winston Cup series cars are pure racing machines, but they do use the production hood, roof, and trunk lid. The hoods and deck lids are reinforced to handle the air pressure.

Every other piece on the bodies of the cars (with the exception of the nose and rear bumper cover) is hand built by fabricators. The nose and rear bumper are made in molds.

One other thing that makes them Fords or Chevy/Pontiacs, is the engines. Fords run a small block ford, Chevys/Pontiacs run a small block Chevy.

The block, heads, and intake all come from the manufacturer's performance parts catalog.

A person could build a NASCAR WC engine and drop it in any car or truck, all the parts are easily obtainable.

Except that magnesium intake that Jeff Gordon got caught with... LOL

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You make some very cogent points, noelvm. Originally NASCAR was at least loosely based on production vehicles, on the thoery that what wins on Sunday sells on Monday. Now as you point out the cars have virtually no relationship to production vehicles and are nothing more than high velocity bill boards. Maybe this is why MoPar has chosen to boycott the series, although I wonder why they field the trucks, quite successfully. But Spiro you are right, watching a rigged contest makes me mad, and I will go back to watching something on the level, like WWF.

 

I think NASCAR needs to look into a uni-body design for all teams to run. By this I mean one body shape, one spoiler height and equal drag in the wind tunnel. It seems every year one of the auto makers comes up with a new shape to give there racers an advantage. NASCAR trys to slow that advantage down with spoiler heights and other rule changes. But it always takes them half the season to get them close. Now I have had this arguement with almost every NASCAR couch racer I know. They seem to think that is what the IROC races are but I disagree.
What do you guys think about the uni-body idea?
Perhaps I am a little bias on todays race. I've had a #3 on my hat since the early 80's and would support Dale if he drove an AMC Pacer painted pink.

HIGH RISK

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Hey ****,They use a stock 65 floor pan In all the cars to even the Chevies.

 

Careful, High Risk, the Pacer is one of my all time favorite cars, and I am very close to finalizing a deal on a '73, which I plan to restore and paint a stunning lavender (with a 427 hemi, of course).

 

Now Alphadog you could put a Hemi in any thing and it would be one of the coolest cars on the planet.