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This crap happened in the USA about 30 years ago. So don't rip on it too badly, glass houses...
Next time you're at a swap meet, look for a hot-rod magazine circa '70s. Page through. Look for the vans featuring psuedo-star wars graphics and funny lightsabers. And of course, heart shaped port-holes to the bed.
These vans just represent that A) most japanese have no houses to spend their money on and B) japanese have a "don't know when to quit" problem with rodding. Which isn't that bad...
All I can say is I'm mildly happier for seeing these crazy vans. But I also have a strange urge to crush them with a monster truck.
This crap happened in the USA about 30 years ago. So don't rip on it too badly, glass houses...
Next time you're at a swap meet, look for a hot-rod magazine circa '70s. Page through. Look for the vans featuring psuedo-star wars graphics and funny lightsabers. And of course, heart shaped port-holes to the bed.
These vans just represent that A) most japanese have no houses to spend their money on and B) japanese have a "don't know when to quit" problem with rodding. Which isn't that bad...
All I can say is I'm mildly happier for seeing these crazy vans. But I also have a strange urge to crush them with a monster truck.
Do some of you older folks remember seeing the Flash Gordon series? No, I'm not that old, believe me, but some cable channel was playing reruns of it years ago. Anyway, the spaceships were suspended on fishing line and smoke (in a vacuum, I always enjoyed that) trailed out their *** end. These had to have been left behind from the show.
It is interesting to note in restrospect that the dropping of the two atomic bombs on Japan (which I totally agree with) probably saved 1 million estimated American causalties that would have been substained in an invasion of the Japanese home islands and also probably saved the lives of an estimated 5 million japanese, mostly civilians that the Japanese army planned to send against the landing Americans, armed only with spears and pitch forks. In reality the dropping of the bombs probably saved lives. My .02 worth.
noelvm
noelvm
Ohhh my god... Ok i go to a community colleger near chicago and all i have to say is that my whole parking lot looks like that, what is the deal with people that have horrible taste, too much money to blow on their car and an insaciable appetite for austentacious and horrid looking fiberglass mods..?!!?!??!?!!.. I tell you nothing screams SPEED to me when i'm out on the road better than non functioning towel rack wings and low profile tires that stick 6 inches outside the wells.
-A.J.H
"MrFireworks"
-A.J.H
"MrFireworks"
FWIW There would have been no loss of Allied lives from the planned invasion of Japan. The Japanese were already asking us for peace terms through the Swiss and the then-neutral Russians by the end of July 1945. The allegations of military necessity were a bit of historical revisionism cooked up by Truman to cover his *** in the court of world opinion.
Having said that, the Bomb was a wholly inadequate payback for Pearl Harbor and Nanking, Bataan, Singapore, Guam and literally thousands of other atrocities committed by Japan during the war. Rather than reconstructing them as a "bulwark against Communism" we should have turned them into a permanent object lesson about what happens to nations who f**k with America. WE did not need to use the Bomb, THEY earned the dubious priveledge of being it's first, and hopefully only, victims.
Having said that, the Bomb was a wholly inadequate payback for Pearl Harbor and Nanking, Bataan, Singapore, Guam and literally thousands of other atrocities committed by Japan during the war. Rather than reconstructing them as a "bulwark against Communism" we should have turned them into a permanent object lesson about what happens to nations who f**k with America. WE did not need to use the Bomb, THEY earned the dubious priveledge of being it's first, and hopefully only, victims.
The Army not the parliment ran Japan. They did not want peace and were determined to fight to the end. It was the bomb that convinced them, that we could sit offshore and reduce their country to rubble without invading it.
As a side note it is interesting to point out that the bombing of Dresden, Germany by a combination of the 8th Air Force (by day) and the Royal Air Force (by night), in one 24 hour period, killed more people than were killed by either atomic bombs.
noelvm
As a side note it is interesting to point out that the bombing of Dresden, Germany by a combination of the 8th Air Force (by day) and the Royal Air Force (by night), in one 24 hour period, killed more people than were killed by either atomic bombs.
noelvm
Hindsight is always 20/20. It's easy to critize when we were not there making the calls. if things hapened different who knows how things would have turned out. More people could have died maybe less. who knows. Also, to each his own... I spend copious amounts of money on my GO FAST TRUCK, I think the ugly 'vehicles' are a waste of money, but I'm sure they would feel the same about my L. Hate is ignorant (sp?)
At the end of WWII a Strategic Bombing Survey was conducted for all the theaters of the war. This was done starting in 1946.
The section that deals with the bombing of Japan can be read in its entirety at http://tiger.coe.missouri.edu/~whistle/study_collections/bomb/large/str ategic_bombing/text/bmc6-1tx.htm
It was composed of to quote the offical document:"The Survey's complement provided for 300 civilians, 350 officers, and 500 enlisted men. The military segment of the organization was drawn from the Army to the extent of 60 per cent, and from the Navy to the extent of 40 per cent. Both the Army and the Navy gave the Survey all possible assistance in furnishing men, supplies, transport and information. The Survey operated from headquarters established in Tokyo early in September, 1945 with sub-headquarters in Nagoya, Osaka, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and with mobile teams operating in other parts of Japan, the islands of the Pacific, and the Asiatic mainland.
It was possible to reconstruct much of wartime Japanese military planning and execution engagement by engagement and campaign by Campaign, and to secure reasonably accurate statistics Japan 'a economy and war - production plant by plant, and industry by industry. In addition, studies were conducted on Japan's overall strategic plans and the background of her entry into the war, the internal discussions and negotiations leading to her acceptance of unconditional surrender."
Japan's final wartime cabinet was composed of both civilian and military elements who had to be in complete agreement in order for any action to be taken. They never reached an agreement to surrender until after the atomic bombs were dropped. They had three objections 1. Loss of the Emporior, 2. Occupation by Russia & the U.S., and reprisals against the military leaders (which was well justified as we hung most of the bastards).
The final paragraph states that Japan had made up their mind to surrender. Evidently, they just never got around to it.
I quote the final paragraph in it's entirety.
"6. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombs did not defeat Japan, nor by the testimony of the enemy leaders who ended the war did they persuade Japan to accept unconditional surrender. The Emperor, the lord privy seal, the prime minister, the foreign minister and the navy minister had decided as early as May of 1945 that the war should be ended even if it meant acceptance of defeat on allied terms."(nmv note that Togo, the Army minister is not included in the above group and he was the most power man in Japan at the time,)
This is not particularly favorable to the opinion the Truman concocted the survey to justify his use of the Bomb. Nor was there any apparant attempt to change the report. Truman did commission the study in 1946. It is also noted that the home army consisted of over 2 million, over 1000 airplanes, and additional equipment was all surrendered in tact.
noelvm
Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated. The only question that remains is when.
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The section that deals with the bombing of Japan can be read in its entirety at http://tiger.coe.missouri.edu/~whistle/study_collections/bomb/large/str ategic_bombing/text/bmc6-1tx.htm
It was composed of to quote the offical document:"The Survey's complement provided for 300 civilians, 350 officers, and 500 enlisted men. The military segment of the organization was drawn from the Army to the extent of 60 per cent, and from the Navy to the extent of 40 per cent. Both the Army and the Navy gave the Survey all possible assistance in furnishing men, supplies, transport and information. The Survey operated from headquarters established in Tokyo early in September, 1945 with sub-headquarters in Nagoya, Osaka, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and with mobile teams operating in other parts of Japan, the islands of the Pacific, and the Asiatic mainland.
It was possible to reconstruct much of wartime Japanese military planning and execution engagement by engagement and campaign by Campaign, and to secure reasonably accurate statistics Japan 'a economy and war - production plant by plant, and industry by industry. In addition, studies were conducted on Japan's overall strategic plans and the background of her entry into the war, the internal discussions and negotiations leading to her acceptance of unconditional surrender."
Japan's final wartime cabinet was composed of both civilian and military elements who had to be in complete agreement in order for any action to be taken. They never reached an agreement to surrender until after the atomic bombs were dropped. They had three objections 1. Loss of the Emporior, 2. Occupation by Russia & the U.S., and reprisals against the military leaders (which was well justified as we hung most of the bastards).
The final paragraph states that Japan had made up their mind to surrender. Evidently, they just never got around to it.
I quote the final paragraph in it's entirety.
"6. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombs did not defeat Japan, nor by the testimony of the enemy leaders who ended the war did they persuade Japan to accept unconditional surrender. The Emperor, the lord privy seal, the prime minister, the foreign minister and the navy minister had decided as early as May of 1945 that the war should be ended even if it meant acceptance of defeat on allied terms."(nmv note that Togo, the Army minister is not included in the above group and he was the most power man in Japan at the time,)
This is not particularly favorable to the opinion the Truman concocted the survey to justify his use of the Bomb. Nor was there any apparant attempt to change the report. Truman did commission the study in 1946. It is also noted that the home army consisted of over 2 million, over 1000 airplanes, and additional equipment was all surrendered in tact.
noelvm
Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated. The only question that remains is when.
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Very nice post Noel. It never fails to amaze me the information that can be gathered from this fine website. Even though most is about my favorite subject (LIGHTNINGS), it is truley unbelievable the subject matter and info from people. Which reminds me, thursday night....time for Smackdown! Later Bros
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There is no probably about it that is was justified Warren old boy, The Japs killed more than seven million people in 1937, and used to throw little babies into the air and let them land on their bayonets for sport. They buried US soldiers up to their neck and then took great sport sticking knives and other things into their eyes and would laugh and make jokes. Remember that they killed more even than the evil ***** ever did, but you never see it on tv or other media because they spent and are spending millions to erase their atrocities from history. They have been extremely successful in removing this from the school books that we use to teach history in our school systems.So if you want to be "horrified", do it for the victims of these barbarians.
Strangeranger: I hope your engineering is a hell of a lot better than your history.I wish I had a time machine to send you back to just one Pacific island where the preparation for the invasion of Japan had started.The Japs have spent millions on changing history and in fact are still doing it.Their atrocities are the greatest and cruelest in the history of mankind. Hitler and Stalin was terrible, but pikers compared to the Japs.There is no way, more than one half century later, that anyone could know what the situation was any better than the poor bastards that were there.There are other letter replys that are more technical in their explanation of the story that Japan was ready to surrender, but to that statement I say this ,Bull ****????????? I don't know what you know about anything else, but I can tell you this, you don't know doodly **** about Japs, before World War 2 , right after it, or now.Check the history books in any school in the U.S, and see just how good they are at removing history that they don't like remembered.The Japanese are a timeless people they ane no different today than they were on December 7, 1941 or a thousand years from now. I hope you are young enough to live to see this history lesson in person.


