Inject Tech EEC V Chips, *A Calibrated Chip*
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Seriously Sal, sorry about the slam, I really am. I'll get rid of it. I don't wanna take bread off anyone's table.
Back to the wild claims of the low 13.2's and faster, with anyone's chip and a K&N, has anyone been able to verify that? I saw your response to a 12 second claim and I thought you handled it uh, diplomaticaly.
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Back to the wild claims of the low 13.2's and faster, with anyone's chip and a K&N, has anyone been able to verify that? I saw your response to a 12 second claim and I thought you handled it uh, diplomaticaly.
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Thanks Silver, I got tired of talking to most of you f-150 guys by e-mail so I invited my friend betty to share in the fun. Quit e-mailing me OK? I don't believe a stock L with a K&N and a chip will run a 13.2. You have NO proof, just lip service. One guy even swore how accurate his G-tech was. LOL. Oh, betty says her friend loretta is headed to join in also. Oh boy!!! They are kind of a tag team if you know what I mean?
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Hey I didn't argue with You.
As I have not seen one, you could be right.
I can make a mathmatical model do it.
But I have yet to see it Happen IRL, so that is meaning less.
P.S. My Model uses HP Curves, from dyno plots. So it a bit more complex then your simple online calculator. The fastest I could get one to go with real dyno data from filter/chip runs was around 13.2 with ~slicks traction coeff.
As I have not seen one, you could be right.
I can make a mathmatical model do it.
But I have yet to see it Happen IRL, so that is meaning less.
P.S. My Model uses HP Curves, from dyno plots. So it a bit more complex then your simple online calculator. The fastest I could get one to go with real dyno data from filter/chip runs was around 13.2 with ~slicks traction coeff.
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Silver, I wasn't on you but rather all the folks here who e-mail me and say they also don't agree with some of the claims. For some reason they are afraid to voice their opinion in public because they are afraid they will be flamed or something. Most of the claims they are talking about are in folks signatures. I can understand why if a guy ligitamately goes to the track on a good day and runs a 13.2 something and other guys assume they can do it also because they own the same truck. That makes sense to me. But to make a claim that 13.2's are achievable by most Lightnings if they have a chip and K&N filter, is foolish IMO.
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Since this board is/a melting pot of differing unchangable opions, some even to the color of grass and the color of a blue sky.
If you want info or opinions on this chip email me at: sbothe@mediaone.net
If you want info or opinions on this chip email me at: sbothe@mediaone.net
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Hmmm....
Single chip, "off the shelf" calibration $275
Dual chip, "off the shelf" calibration $325
And if this isn't bad enough charging $275-$325 for a $25 chip...
Shipping and handling on a chip or EEC is $10.
Good grief! It'd cost them under $1 to send a chip. Definetely no more than $3 if they have to box up one of those "modules".
I think they're a little -- no, make that WAY overpriced.
Who is "he" -- Mike Wesley?
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Single chip, "off the shelf" calibration $275
Dual chip, "off the shelf" calibration $325
And if this isn't bad enough charging $275-$325 for a $25 chip...
Shipping and handling on a chip or EEC is $10.
Good grief! It'd cost them under $1 to send a chip. Definetely no more than $3 if they have to box up one of those "modules".
I think they're a little -- no, make that WAY overpriced.
Lets just say he can do thing others only dream about.
If you have questions about their chip: inject_tech@yahoo.com
If you have questions about their chip: inject_tech@yahoo.com
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Interesting. It's good that he's undercutting the competition. But still...
I can get a Thrasher chip for my '87 Buick Grand National for $25 (use to be $20 until the price of the blank chips went up recently). A Jay Carter chip is $50-$60 depending on the vendor you get it from. Modern Musclecar sells their own chips for $150 or less.
I had a Hypertech on my '88 Mustang in the early '90s and it didn't even work. I tried an ADS and it didn't work either.
I don't know, but it seems you're paying a lot more for less for EEC chips than for Turbo Regal chips (which you can actually feel the difference).
Why does it cost so much to get a chip for a Ford? I don't see how they could be harder to make than Turbo Regal chips.
And what is this guy using for chip software? Wesley's, somebody else's, or his own?
Speaking of Wesley, has he released the Calibrator yet?
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I can get a Thrasher chip for my '87 Buick Grand National for $25 (use to be $20 until the price of the blank chips went up recently). A Jay Carter chip is $50-$60 depending on the vendor you get it from. Modern Musclecar sells their own chips for $150 or less.
I had a Hypertech on my '88 Mustang in the early '90s and it didn't even work. I tried an ADS and it didn't work either.
I don't know, but it seems you're paying a lot more for less for EEC chips than for Turbo Regal chips (which you can actually feel the difference).
Why does it cost so much to get a chip for a Ford? I don't see how they could be harder to make than Turbo Regal chips.
And what is this guy using for chip software? Wesley's, somebody else's, or his own?
Speaking of Wesley, has he released the Calibrator yet?
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Calibrator
I emailed him about 5 times, the one reply seemed to say that it is not available, or maybe it is not available for public purchase.
He is using his own. The company owners are X-Ford calibrators, this means they know the ECC Vs.
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I emailed him about 5 times, the one reply seemed to say that it is not available, or maybe it is not available for public purchase.
He is using his own. The company owners are X-Ford calibrators, this means they know the ECC Vs.
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Hey Lyonsd, Sal here. Being what seems like a GM guy, I can understand your posts about the cost of the chips. Let me explain. The GM chips are usually replacement EPROMS that cost a few bucks each. You then pay for the R&D work on the tuning and end up with a $100 chip (just a guess, I don't do GM stuff). But with Fords, it's different. The memory chip in the Ford PCM is not removable, it's soldered to the PC Board. So to use a chip on a Ford, the chip is not just a replacement "memory" but a module that actually has to override the PCM and make it use what you've programmed on the chip. These modules are not a few bucks each 
On the older style Autologic Cal-pack chips, you programmed the file onto a 5 dollar EPROM, then you plugged it into the Cal-pack which plugged into the PCM. On the new style Autologic chips, as well as Superchips, they are sealed units that have re-flashable memories, but the module itself still has to make the PCM use it. That is why Ford chips cost so much more than GM ones do. Hope this helps!!
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On the older style Autologic Cal-pack chips, you programmed the file onto a 5 dollar EPROM, then you plugged it into the Cal-pack which plugged into the PCM. On the new style Autologic chips, as well as Superchips, they are sealed units that have re-flashable memories, but the module itself still has to make the PCM use it. That is why Ford chips cost so much more than GM ones do. Hope this helps!!------------------
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Well you think he is expensive:
PSP: http://members.aol.com/NLOCsvt/chips.html
Dual: 355
Four: 425
Danny:
single (using a 4 prg chip) $350 http://www.swansonperformance.com/light00.html
Superchips:
List 450 (Can be had for mid 3's)
With the discount in the works it will be cheap.
The time to "break the Code" is where the money comes in. So Autologic Tuners have to buy Mike W software because of his small trick with "his" chips. Superchip tuners have to buy there software. So these are feature limited for a mulitude of reasons.
No this is not mikes w company (C&M - Autologic) These chip tuners/tooners prices are not bad, their time is worth something...
P.S. it cost about $12 to ship a chip with insurance.
Steven
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PSP: http://members.aol.com/NLOCsvt/chips.html
Dual: 355
Four: 425
Danny:
single (using a 4 prg chip) $350 http://www.swansonperformance.com/light00.html
Superchips:
List 450 (Can be had for mid 3's)
With the discount in the works it will be cheap.
The time to "break the Code" is where the money comes in. So Autologic Tuners have to buy Mike W software because of his small trick with "his" chips. Superchip tuners have to buy there software. So these are feature limited for a mulitude of reasons.
No this is not mikes w company (C&M - Autologic) These chip tuners/tooners prices are not bad, their time is worth something...
P.S. it cost about $12 to ship a chip with insurance.
Steven
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Hello, Sal. Thanks for the info. Actually, I'm a Ford guy. The only GM I'd own (which I do own) is a Buick Grand National.
I also have a '88 Mustang 5.0 and have tried the Hypertech and ADS chips a few years back. Neither worked.
The Hypertech, as you probably know, plugged into the service port and it was more than just a chip. It was a chip on a small circuit board enclosed in a slip-on metal "cover" that completely "swallowed" the end of the EEC-IV.
The ADS was different. It pluged in between the the EEC-IV and the wiring harness, modifying the signals in and out of the EEC-IV. That doesn't reprogram it as you know, it "fools" it.
As I said, neither one worked in my Mustang. I did numerous tests with and without the chips. The only gain I got is when I used the "octane bar" that came with the ADS. It was worth approx. 10 hp whether the ADS chip was in place or not.
Since then, I haven't been a big fan of chips (on unmodified cars). It seems all they do it bump the timing and maybe add some more fuel. I can do that for free.
Of course, I do see a benefit on modified cars. Or cars where bigger-than-stock injectors are installed.
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I also have a '88 Mustang 5.0 and have tried the Hypertech and ADS chips a few years back. Neither worked.
The Hypertech, as you probably know, plugged into the service port and it was more than just a chip. It was a chip on a small circuit board enclosed in a slip-on metal "cover" that completely "swallowed" the end of the EEC-IV.
The ADS was different. It pluged in between the the EEC-IV and the wiring harness, modifying the signals in and out of the EEC-IV. That doesn't reprogram it as you know, it "fools" it.
As I said, neither one worked in my Mustang. I did numerous tests with and without the chips. The only gain I got is when I used the "octane bar" that came with the ADS. It was worth approx. 10 hp whether the ADS chip was in place or not.
Since then, I haven't been a big fan of chips (on unmodified cars). It seems all they do it bump the timing and maybe add some more fuel. I can do that for free.
Of course, I do see a benefit on modified cars. Or cars where bigger-than-stock injectors are installed.
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