Wow, almost 50 yrs old and acting like a 15 year old in an AOL Car Chat room. That's amazing. Actually, it's pathetic. Let's review the basics of the topics-
1. MAD opens the original topic with his frst post. "I see lots of signatures in the low 13's with only a chip and K&N but I never see a timeslip. I wonder if all these claims are really true? Can anyone verify a low 13 sec. slip of their own and not a buddy or a neighbor with only a chip and K&N or what other parts does it take to run a 13.0? My track experience has revealed that its a Beyutch to get a Lightning to 13.5 with a chip and K&N or very minimum mods."

Ok, so MAD asks what mods it takes to get a Lightning to run 13.0 and then claims is it difficult to get a Lighting to run 13.5 with just a chip and filter.

2. Many Lightning owners reply to MADs request for info. 4dThndr replies with a 13.49 on stock F-1s. Lightningquick replies with 13.21 with chip/filter. MAD comes back with a sarcastic post asking for wieght and posted timeslips - "Lightningquick--so you have a Stupidchip and a K&N, and stock tires. You run 13.20's. OK, can you tell me how much your truck weighs with you in it and anything I might need to know to justify this claim? Oh, you can send me your best slip and I will post it in this thread if you like?" 98SVTCobra posts LightningQuicks timeslips. MAD replies with childish namecalling (ironic, isn't it?) and nothing relevant to reply since he's been proven wrong- "Is the testosterone overflowing a little to much for you to handle?" "I really like Lightnings but obviously some of the owners have an identity and caveman problem and lack alot of obviously should I say, BRAINS, TACT, CIVILITY?" "Can you answer my question about the weight of your truck without the caveman factor getting in the way?" Sixpipes replies with 13.30 with chip/filter/gears.

3. MAD now tries to prove us wrong using calculators. "Humm, 13.21 @ 104 in a 4900 pound vehile? My calculator says 501 HP. How can this be with a chip and K&N filter? Something is not right here. Am I missing something? Aren't Lightnings a mechanical device just like any other vehicle or piece of machinery? Is there something magical about Lightning's that I don't know about?" JohnnyLightning relpies with a 13.09 with chip/filter/tires. I witnessed him run a 13.17 at the WFC in poor air. MAD then continues to ask for specific data, still not beleiving anyone- "I just find it hard to justify the HP levels required to propel a 4.9K pound vehicle with 360 RWHP (?) to 13.0, 13.1, 13.2, times with a chip and an air filter." "Someone enlighten me as to how a Lightning makes over 500 HP with a chip and air filter, PLEASE?" MAD replies to JohnnyLightning's post and askes for his weight. Then states - "If your truck weighs 4.9K or more, you are also making over 500 HP. Why do the dynos not reflect this HP on a stock truck with a chip and an air filter?" MAD then replies once agian using calculators as his basis for using childish remarks- "But its a mechanical device and not a magical mystery machine. The law of physics says a 400 HP, 4.8K pound, vehicle will not run 104 in the 1/4 mile in 13.0 seconds. Do you believe in the tooth fairy? Easter Bunny? etc?"

4. MAD then makes the following statement - "However HP is still torque X RPM/5252. It takes over 500 HP to propel a 4.9K mass of anything to a 104 MPH 1/4 mile. Its not a mystery or new science. The HP formula has been around for over 200 years. Gear ratios and powerbands have nothing to do with MPH in the 1/4 mile." That's one of the dumbset things I ever heard. Sure MAD, gear ratios and powerbands don't effect your trap speed, rriigghttt.. Smoke another one. JohnnyLightning replies with his truck/driver weight at 4700lbs.

5. I myself then reply to your original post - "My truck currently has only my PSP chip, filter, and Bassani exhuast, and runs on drag radials. It goes 13.20s@ 104 mph. And the Bassani didn't improve my ETs, it only helped my trap speed, so yes, my truck runs 13.20s with just a chip and filter. And that was starting with a 13.80 truck. Some trucks are running 13.5 and 13.6s stock, so they could drop to the 13.0 13.1 range with the same mods." MAD then replies with a string of hypocritical statements - "I never said "Hell no, your truck won't do that in the 1/4". All I asked for was answers which so far, I have not recieved. I don't doubt anyone's times. I simply wanted an explanation for the HP level to propel a 4.8-4.9 mass to 104-105 in the 1/4." Then MAD brings up the calculator stuff agian and calls us liers - "I used three different calculators on-line and came up with 501 as an average to propel a 4.9 vehicle to 104 MPH's. Someone is lieing, either the timeslips are false or Fords HP claims are false."

6. After many posts proving him wrong, MAD now changes his argument - ". I could care less about ET's in this conversation because there are too mnay variables. I didn't ask how a 4.9K truck could turn those times as you accuse me of but rather "How could a 4.9K mass turn 105 MPH in the 1/4 in 13.0-13.2 seconds with a chip and K&N filter"? Keep in mind--ET's are deceptive but MPH is consistant and more accurate." MAD also replies with this brilliant statment - "The Lightning seems to be a mystical secret or something. Bull****--Its all HP to weight ratio and thats it. The blower, turbocharger, N2O, has nothing to do with the numbers adding up." Several people then respond with much "technical" explanations of formulas and pyshics. MAD then replies - " Lightningquick is obviously a severely brain challenged individual. He seems to be the only violent individual here and that's too bad because it makes the rest of the folks look somewhat in the same boat but I know thats not true. I started this thread about timeslips and guess who the only one posted a slip of 13.20 something with a "If you don't believe it then get the F##k outa here". This guy has to have an IQ of my friend below: Maybe he is living proof Donkeys can type?" This post was followed by a picture of himself. He then claims that he will leave, too bad he lied about that as well.

7. MAD then makes a post to back up his unbeleiving claims by using one truck as an example for the entire Lightning world- "Seriously, the quickest Lightning I have seen at our NHRA sanctioned track was 13.48. The truck has a Stupidchip, a F-150.com's members air filter and inlet tube, and slicks." MAD then replies with a post that obviuosly proves he must only read about every 5 posts on this topic - "This thread was started with a request to see all the 13.2 and below timeslips that I see in alot of signatures on this board. It's amazing how a person can buy a 30K vehicle but doesn't have the cash for a scanner. Also, Kinko's are only in Okla. I guess?
So far, I have seen one timeslip. Thanks Lightningquick, such as it is. You will get smarter as you get older, don't worry.
I suspect because Lightningquick has a timeslip (un-verified) for a 13.20 something, then some folks may think their identical Lightning with a Stupidchip and a K&N will surely do the same." Sixpipes then replies that weather was optimum for his 13.30 pass and his truck runs slower in less than disirable weather. Jim Ritter then posts his 13.20 times. I witnenessed him turn a 13.14 at the WFC and also saw his 12 second timeslips.

8. MAD then claims to have used 6 different calculators, but doesn't consider them accurate and then changes his argument AGIAN to accusing people of posting corrected ETs- "I use four different programs and since this crap started I have used two additional ones. But nevermind, I really don't consider them to be accurate. I started this thread about all the 13.2 and below timeslips that everyone uses. In your post I gather the ET you posted is not actual but rather corrected?" Spiro then posts his 13.0 times with chip/filter/drag radials. I saw his logbook of slips. And he was top qualifier at the WFC with a 13.11.

9. Dorgunr starts another post about his 13.34 with just chip/filter. 1BAD 4D then posts his 13.22 with just chip/filter. MAD then replies with - "Ho Humm... Such silly boys with a new car loan. My statement still stands: 13.0's with a chip and K&N filter, not on this planet." Then he posts - "You little boys keep slapping each other on the back and everything will be just fine." "The fastest Lightning time with a few more mods than a chip and a K&N in my area are 13.4's." Then MAD posts - "I didn't raise the mark to 13.0, some genius on this board made that claim. Go read the other threads. No, they won't do 13.2 either with a chip and an air filter." Geez, now MAD can't even remember what he said. Scroll to the original post by him at the top of this post and you will see that MAD did in fact state 13.0.

10. I then give MAD what I figure he really wants all along, good data - "Hey Mad, Sal here. Instead of just throwing timeslip numbers at you, I'll give you more data to play with. Spiro's truck was top qualifier in Street Lightning. 13.11-13.16 range all weekend. He also had his truck dynoed at the track. 387rwhp and 478rwtq." So now MAD has ETs AND dyno numbers from the same day at the same location, and instead of using this data, he replies with a personal attack on my products - "Sal, IMHO, you are ripping these unknowing Lightning owners off. I won't go into details about that.
Your times are very fast. Are you running completly stock with a chip and a K&N air filter? Stock tires? I didn't think so." There is no big secret to my mods, they are in my signature of every post I make. MAD also asks - "Why does everyone keep bringing up calculator *****?" Well, you introduced that, and now you turn away from it because you were proved wrong by people far more intelligent that you. MAD then continues to attack me - "I say your ***** is a rip for the money." "Why pay Sal 1K for a couple of tenths when you can drop a whole second or more with a measly $500.00 N2O kit. Oops I forgot, N2O will blow your engine up. Too bad..............." Well I see you research your arguments well. My chip/filter kit is $500, not $1000, and it can lower ETs up to 5 tenths. My truck went from 13.8s to 13.2s with those two mods. Many others have as well. But it's not written is stone. Some don't see that much improvement and some have seen more. Each truck reacts differently, just like every other vehicle on the planet.

So let's recap the topic. MAD comes to our board and asks for ETs and mods, We give them to him. He asks for weights, we give them to him. He asks for printed timeslips and dyno numbers, we give them to him. Every time we give him his requested info and it proves him wrong, he comes back with childish posts and changes his basis for the post. He comes to the Lightning board, not owning one and calls us all liers. He makes hypocritical statements instead of admitting to being proved wrong. He gloats about his "track knowledge and experiance" when nobody is impressed or even gives a crap. He is a grown man acting like a 15 year old (if he is in fact an adult, maybe we need to see a birth certificate?). He uses his own hometown track to base all his data on the entire world of Lightnings. If stuff runs that bad at your track MAD, find a better one.

I realize that this post is very long, but I have pretty much had it with this topic. I beleive that I have presented enough here to prove that MAD has nothing constructive to add to this message board, that his presence has wasted a ton of Steve's bandwidth, and that he will never admit he is wrong, even if he were to witness a Lightning making these times. I would like to ask Steve on behalf af all here, as I think that my thoughts are shared, to get rid of MAD as he is no becoming a nuesence to this board.

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SAL
13.209@104.3mph
Power Surge Performance 99 Lightning Chip and Filter Kit, full Bassani Exhaust, Nitto Extreme Drags
PowerSurgePerf@aol.com

 

Sal,

MAD's posting rights have been revoked. I don't have any problem with questioning ET's or the effectiveness of products. The reason he lost his posting rights was because of the insults towards others, a cleare violation of the terms of usage...I'm certain that a few people will complain (as usual) but the bottom line is that the decision lies in my hands, and after running this place for 3.5 years, I think I am a decent judge of who is not here to be educated or add value to these boards. No trolls allowed.

Steve

 

Steve, I fully understand. I also want to say that I did not make the above post as any kind of "ruler" or "higher power" of this board. I spent over an hour constructing that post to point out the important FACTS of the entire topic, as it had gotten extremely clouded with childish crap from both sides.

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SAL
13.209@104.3mph
Power Surge Performance 99 Lightning Chip and Filter Kit, full Bassani Exhaust, Nitto Extreme Drags
PowerSurgePerf@aol.com

 

Then be fair and do this to everyone who did the same thing...

 

Not to worry, Sal. I didn't interpret it that way.

As far as other people's concerns with the way that I operate these message boards (most notably 2000Silverbulletonorder at the moment), you need to know that I do not read each and every message on a daily basis, I do not have the time, nor do I necessarily have the interest.

I react to complaints that I receive about abuses and rules violations and respond to each of them on an individual basis. I probably receive 5 or 6 of these per day. Are 5 or 6 people "bounced" per day? No, not at all. That number is likely more 1 every couple of months.

I make a judgement call on each and every one. In my estimation, MAD was using that thread to cause trouble, so I reacted in the manner I feel was appropriate.

Steve

 

Thank you Steve, he was wrong the way he handled the sitution

 

 

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Thanks Steve for doing what you did and everything you do to run this board.